New PIAA Slimline Sports Horn

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Yesterday was the day to install the PIAA slimline horn. I decided to break out my digital SPL meter and see what I could see about the sound level improvement this mod makes. I think that what I found is not what anyone would have expected.

I parked the bike out in the open driveway, to minimize reflected sound, and set up the SPL meter on a tripod at about the same height as the horns. I made before and after measurements of both horns from a distance of 20", directly in front of the bike.

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For the individual horn measurements I positioned the microphone to the side, on a 45 degree angle, on the side of the active horn.

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The power cord seen above is going to a battery charger, which I used to maintain a fairly constant 13.2VDC battery charge thru the tests. All measurements were made on the dB "A weighted" scale. A weighting approximates the frequency response of the human ear, and is therefore more representative of how you should perceive the horn loudness. Right and left refer to the sides of the bike when seated in a normal riding position.

Right side OE horn alone (high tone - 2799 Hz) - 108dBA

Left side OE horn alone (low tone - 341 Hz) - 101 dBA

PIAA Slimline Horn alone, installed in right side (mid tone - 508Hz) - 98 dBA :eek:

The reason for a difference between the left and right OE horns is likely to be the "A" weighting. Lower frequencies are scaled down as the human ear is theoretically less sensitive to them. But this does not explain why the PIAA Slimline horn measured lower SPL than the 341 Hz horn. This difference was also born out by the dual horn before and after SPL measurements.

Before - Dual OE Horns - 119 dBA

After - Left side OE Horn and PIAA Slimline on right side - 113 dBA :eek:

"OK", you're probably saying to yourself, "there must be something wrong with Fred-o's PIAA horn because when I put the horn on my bike it definitely sounded louder." Well, yes, and that is the really ironic thing. Even with these lower measured SPLs, the "After" configuration did seem like it sounded louder. I probably need to do some more experiments to figure out what is actually going on here (for one thing, repeat these tests using the flatter "C" weighting filter), but I have a theory.

I believe that we feel the horns are louder because the combined spectral pitch is lower. It sounds like it is a big car now and not a motorcycle. So even if it isn't actually louder we sense that it is.

Part of what makes horns attention getting is the sound modulation that occurs because the two horns are at different frequencies. The two different frequencies mean that the sound waves will arrive at your ear in varying phases relative to each other. At times, when they are in phase with each other the sound waves will be constructive (louder). Conversely when they are in opposing phase they will tend to momentarily nullify each other (destructive). The phase relationship will cycle at a rate equal to the difference between the two frequencies (508Hz - 341Hz = 167 Hz). In other words, the loudness of the combined horns will increase to ~ double, then decrease to a null 167 times per second. This modulation is the "warbling"/ pulsating effect that you get when you have two horns close in tone, that you don't get when you sound only one horn. It's the entire reason that they have a High tone and Low tone horn and not just two horns of the same tone.

In summary, I believe that these PIAA horns may sound "louder" more because of their better (lower) tone than the actual SPLs they emit. More testing needed to prove this.

One other interesting data point (which I need to explore further) is that I repeated the "After" horns measurement after starting-up the bike. The battery (actually alternator) voltage went up to 14.2VDC and the measured SPL of the pair of horns increased from 113 dBA to 120 dBA. :eek: Considering that dB's are a log scale, that is a very significant increase in sound pressure.

 
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It was a while ago since I installed the standard Piaa Sport Horns on mine, but I had read about the ~~5 amp total draw. No ill effects noticed with stock wiring but I have since installed the Brodie harness as additional protection against possible overload. Either way, the Piaa's are much louder than OEM, but I have heard slightly louder horns (Stebel, e.g.). Good enough for me, as unscientific as that sounds.

 
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I was looking through this thread because I want to upgrade my stock horns. I went to the PIAA website, and it looks like they only show the 76501 - Single 500Hz Slimline Sports Horn. I don't see the 85114, which is the dual 400/500 Hz combo.

I wonder if the combo or the 400Hz was discontinued.

 
I was looking through this thread because I want to upgrade my stock horns. I went to the PIAA website, and it looks like they only show the 76501 - Single 500Hz Slimline Sports Horn. I don't see the 85114, which is the dual 400/500 Hz combo.

I wonder if the combo or the 400Hz was discontinued.
JMW, follow this link to the amazon site and you'll find the option to buy either the lower tone or the higher tone option. Either option gives you "both" horns, no need to buy them separately.

It really does seem PIAA's website is a bit confusing...

 
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I was looking through this thread because I want to upgrade my stock horns. I went to the PIAA website, and it looks like they only show the 76501 - Single 500Hz Slimline Sports Horn. I don't see the 85114, which is the dual 400/500 Hz combo.

I wonder if the combo or the 400Hz was discontinued.
On the PIAA web site, the single horns are listed in the "Powersports" tab under "Accessories".

The dual horn kits are listed in "Accessories" tab right off the home page. I guess that's because they think motorcycles will only use one horn and autos will use two?

Either way, to actually purchase a set, just Google search on : "PIAA 85114"

 
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Got mine mounted last night, and they are LOUD!

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Mounted them high, by removing the stock horn bracket altogether. Put a rubber o-ring on the back side of the PIAA bracket, to help with any vibration issues. I did swing them out slightly, from what is shown in the pic, to avoid any interference. Tools needed are a 10mm box/open end wrench, for the nut behind the stock horn, and a 4mm allen wrench, to remove/replace the horn bracket. The pink wire is ground, and the brown (tan) wire is hot.

Thanks for the tip!
I was wondering how these have held up for you? I'm looking at picking up a set after nearly being run off the road last week.

Are these the correct item? https://www.amazon.com/85112-115db-500HZ-600HZ-Sports/dp/B00079V5ZI/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

Anyone else out there with any input feel free to reply. Thanks!

 
Got mine mounted last night, and they are LOUD!

<img src="https://farm2.static.flickr.com/1108/4721054656_ea2391f858.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />

Mounted them high, by removing the stock horn bracket altogether. Put a rubber o-ring on the back side of the PIAA bracket, to help with any vibration issues. I did swing them out slightly, from what is shown in the pic, to avoid any interference. Tools needed are a 10mm box/open end wrench, for the nut behind the stock horn, and a 4mm allen wrench, to remove/replace the horn bracket. The pink wire is ground, and the brown (tan) wire is hot.

Thanks for the tip!
I was wondering how these have held up for you? I'm looking at picking up a set after nearly being run off the road last week.

Are these the correct item? https://www.amazon.co..._pr_product_top

Anyone else out there with any input feel free to reply. Thanks!
Yes... More than a few of use here have those horns installed. They sound great, and have been on my bike for 2 years without issue. Other than small hands and short wires (some patience required) it is plug and play off existing wires.

You may want to replace the OEM button head allen bolt with a standard socket to ease install and torque (I don't remember the size). I would add a drop of loctite also.

 
Now if some brilliant engineer can just figure out a way to make a compact version of this:



:dribble: I'd buy one.

 
I put on the PIAA 85112 115db 500HZ + 600HZ Sports Horn this week. What a difference!!

I cannot speak to the install, because I hired a local shop to do it. They said it was "very easy". The horns look good, not that you're going to be bending over to look at your horns. But most importantly they sound 1000% better than the stock horns. The tone and decibel level is commanding and gets cagers attention, and fast!

Highly recommend this safety improvement!!

BTW - Anyone in the Northeast FL region I can't speak highly enough about 904Peformance. I've had them work on the FJR a couple of times now and they are excellent. $40 for an oil change, $25 to change a tire (I provided the new tire), check them out: https://www.904performance.com/

 
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I know it is Friday, but please don't dog pile.....

Just to be clear:

1) If I order the PIAA 85114, do I get two horns or one?

2) Can I replace one FJR horn and keep the other stock?

3) Can I replace the crappy horn on my KLR with the PIAA horn?

Please be gentle....

 
not clear myself if it's a kit or only one horn

yes, you can replace only one and keep the other. but why???

yes, you can replace the crappy horn on the KLR with the PIAA.

I have the low tone kit:

https://www.amazon.com/85110-115db-400HZ-500HZ-Sports/dp/B00067BWBI/ref=pd_bxgy_auto_text_b

plug and play. you won't be disappointed.

bought the high tone and low tone sets, settled on the low tone as it sounds like a heavy american SUV.

took me 10 min to install both sides on a 2010 FJR...

 
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Answers embedded in your quote below

I know it is Friday, but please don't dog pile.....

Just to be clear:

1) If I order the PIAA 85114, do I get two horns or one?

The 85114 is a kit with two slimline horns. One 400Hz horn and one 500Hz horn.

2) Can I replace one FJR horn and keep the other stock?

Yes, I did. I replaced just the right hand (higher tone) horn with a single PIAA 500Hz slimline horn. PIAA part number 76501

3) Can I replace the crappy horn on my KLR with the PIAA horn?

Yup. You sure can. Just use one of the same 500Hz horns as above

Also, the reason to replace just one horn is that you get the same benefit at half the price. The stock higher tone horn is very high frequency, around 2000 Hz as I recall, which is what makes it sound like the road runner cartoon instead of like a car horn.

 
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After reading about the PIAA 85114 Slimline Horns I ordered them. I knew I was going to like them because of all the positive feedback here. Put them on a few days ago and I must say they were better than I expected.

Thanks.

 
I was looking through this thread because I want to upgrade my stock horns. I went to the PIAA website, and it looks like they only show the 76501 - Single 500Hz Slimline Sports Horn. I don't see the 85114, which is the dual 400/500 Hz combo.

I wonder if the combo or the 400Hz was discontinued.
On the PIAA web site, the single horns are listed in the "Powersports" tab under "Accessories".

The dual horn kits are listed in "Accessories" tab right off the home page. I guess that's because they think motorcycles will only use one horn and autos will use two?

Either way, to actually purchase a set, just Google search on : "PIAA 85114"
Just to clarify re install....is the pink wire negative?

 
Just to clarify re install....is the pink wire negative?
Yes.

The brown wire is ignition switched +12V (always hot whenever the key is on, which is a handy signal for triggering accessory relays, etc.).

The pink wire goes through the normally open horn switch to ground (only grounded when you press the horn button).

 
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