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That's the way the 'Big Shops' do it -- just substitute a new part from inventory.....

Sure beats that old fashioned/tiring diagnostic method. :( :unsure:

 
That's the way the 'Big Shops' do it -- just substitute a new part from inventory.....Sure beats that old fashioned/tiring diagnostic method. :( :unsure:
Actually, in branded shops, every good wrench has a drawer full known good used parts. It saves a lot of time and expense for the owners of vehicles with troublesome symptoms that don't fit into factory diagnostics. Would you rather pay a guy 6 hours of diag time, or 10 minutes of swap time? Keep in mind, if a part is erratic, recreating the problem isn't always an option. Swapping out the questionable part works pretty well.

 
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Just some advice. Don't put premium gas in your tank and stay away from that 'Seafoam' crap. Add a half teaspoon of fuel stabilizer to a full tank if the the bike must sit and ride it a t least every three weeks. Shine flashlight in gas tank and see if there is visible rust. IF rust present then there are steps you can take to remove it. It is not a fun process. Been there done that with previous bikes.

Happy ridin',

Mick

 
Sorry to hear of your problems. I know this must be very frustrating.
First you said the bike had an issue above 2500 RPM's.

You had a problem starting. (Low voltage for whatever reason)

You put in a different battery and it starts good but still has a problem when the fan comes on.

Again this sounds like low voltage but not as bad as it was orignally when it would quit at 3 bars.

My guess is you have low voltage at times.
After reading this post i am guessing a possible short somewhere. Internally in the fan or somewhere in the circuit once the fan is kicked on. This could feed back and reek havic though the whole system. You may want to trace the wiring diag's for the fan circuitry.

More to come.

 
Just got back from an hour-long ride with some interesting info.

I'm 99.9% convinced the problem IS my fuel pump.

Pre-ride, I ran through the diagnostics again to see if the Feej had stored a code since my last ride. It hadn't. Went through the coil and injector test modes, everything fine.

Buttoned up everything and went riding, sticking to back roads so if I had a failure, I wouldn't be dodging cars to get to a safe get-off point.

Kind of a cool-ish day and took a long time to get up to 3 bars, but no misfiring/hesitation. Went about 10 miles out from home, cruising along just as pretty as you please.

Had to stop at a crossroads to wait on a smattering of traffic. Once the 3 or 4 cars cleared, I took off. In less than 100 yards, the Feej was bucking and surging.

Immediately killed the ignition and pulled off at a side road. Entered the diag mode to check for codes. Again, none to be found, but I DID find something interesting...I went to Diag #9, the voltage readout, and my voltage was a steady 12.7 volts. Not surprising with a brand new battery. BUT, as any of you who have used the Diag Mode knows, in #9, the fuel pump runs if the kill switch is turned On. Well, my switch was On and the fuel pump was NOT making a nice, steady hummmmmmmmmmm....it was more of a hummm-chirp--hummmmm--chirp--hummmm-chirp-chirp. Sorry, can't describe it any better.

Cycle the kill switch off, the pump stopped with an audible "CHIRP". Cycled the kill switch back to On and the pump turned back on with a steady hummmmmmmmmmm.

Hmmm, I thought! Cranked up and drove off with nary a surge or hesitation. Drove another 4-5 miles and pulled over and just waited, like I was at a stop sign. After about 90 seconds, like I had been waiting at a traffic light, I pulled off. Almost immediately, the bike starts bucking and surging. Pulled over, went to Diag mode, #9, and the pump was again running noisily. Cycled the kill switch a few times and it settled down to a nice, steady hum. Drove off and it was perfect again.

Drove for another 4 or 5 miles before it started surging again. This time, instead of stopping, and because there was no traffic, I simply left it in gear, with the throttle closed, and cycled the kill switch a couple of times while coasting. Drove off again with no surging. A couple of miles further, it began again, cycled the kill switch once, to turn the pump off and back on, and again it ran perfectly.

I'm able to duplicate this behavior, from running perfectly to surging, just by stopping and letting it idle without load for a minute or so, then the surging returns. I can also eliminate the surge by cycling the kill switch a few times until the pump "settles down" and runs smoothly, either by doing it at a standstill in Diag mode, or while traveling down the road and coasting in gear.

I'm really beginning to think "imminent, permanent, catastrophic fuel pump failure" before too long.

Anyone concur???

 
I'm really beginning to think "imminent, permanent, catastrophic fuel pump failure" before too long.Anyone concur???
NOW you're thinkin like a tech. And yeah, things sure seem to be pointing that way, don't they? There are some salvage yards out there that undoubtedly have some Feej pumps-not like you see wrecks with crushed tanks very often. That's where I'd be looking-just make sure it's a Gen I pump, new ones are different.

 
I'm really beginning to think "imminent, permanent, catastrophic fuel pump failure" before too long.
Anyone concur???
Yeah. The chirping sounds like maybe bad bearings in the pump. Cycling the switch on and off may reposition the armature a tad so it will run some more.

Now, who was the jerk that thought it was high resistance? (Sorry bout that.)

If/when you do replace it take the old one apart so we know exactly what failed internally if you can. I think it can be disassembled with a hammer quite quickly.

I'm really curious. How many miles on the pump?

 
I'm really beginning to think "imminent, permanent, catastrophic fuel pump failure" before too long.
Anyone concur???
Yeah. The chirping sounds like maybe bad bearings in the pump. Cycling the switch on and off may reposition the armature a tad so it will run some more.
My thoughts exactly!

Now, who was the jerk that thought it was high resistance? (Sorry bout that.)
Whoa, there, pardner....no beating up on yourself. This has been a brainstorming session for everyone, with me as the guinea pig. No harm, no foul. And still no 100% fact that the pump is going bad., although all indications appear that way.

If/when you do replace it take the old one apart so we know exactly what failed internally if you can. I think it can be disassembled with a hammer quite quickly.
ROFL!!! Yeah, hammers DO disassembly work in a hurry, don't they. :)

I'm really curious. How many miles on the pump?
47,000. I don't think mileage is the complete factor. I mean Bounce has 1.4 million miles on HIS Feej and is still running the original break-in oil. If I was to blame anything (other than myself) it was letting the bike sit too long without "excercise".

But again, there's no quantitative proof the fuel pump is the problem, although the indications are there. We'll see.

I'm still going to have a fuel pressure test run Tuesday while the bike's in for the TPS recall. I'll be sure to have the techs go through MANY on/off pump cycles to try and get a good sample of pressure readings.

 
Just can't get this one out of my head.

If it was me looking at a $500 pump, I would first remove the old one and TRY to disassemble it. If it is a bearing or bushing I sure would try to just replace that. Of course Yamaha won't sell that item but if you have a bearing distrubutor around they can usually match up anything. You'd be surprised those little bearings cost about $3.00 each. Or if it's a bushing go to a local machine shop and have two made. An hour labor and your out of there for $75.

Maybe you can't get the thing apart. I don't know. They probably glue the halves together or something.

 
Hm....mighta been them ten cubes o'sugar I dropped in your tank in reno taking effect. Sowwy bout that.

 
Hm....mighta been them ten cubes o'sugar I dropped in your tank in reno taking effect. Sowwy bout that.
That 'splains the sweet smell of caramel while I drive.

Thanks!

I LOVE caramel. I always thought you might be in the candy business. Fudgepacker, right???

 
Well, the bike's in the shop for the TPS recall.

I told the service mgr. I wanted to get a fuel pressure diagnostic while the bike was in the shop to possibly pinpoint a bad/failing fuel pump. The senior tech was at the service counter when I made the request and asked me what the issue was. I described it in great detail and he suggested that while the Diag mode indicated my current TPS was working fine, the issues I'm experiencing are identical to what a pre-recall TPS would cause and also suggest that I wait until after the TPS install was done before I continued with my search. He basically said "why pay us $96.00 an hour to track down a problem when I've seen the new TPS correct these same symptoms a dozen times?"

Dayum! Talked me OUT of spending the money! At least, until the TPS recall is completed and see if I can duplicate the problem with the new TPS installed.

We'll see. Keep your collective fingers crossed, okay? :)

 
Yeah, us automotons will do just that....we could do better, though....maybe we should cross cocks.

 
(scrubbing brain furiously to remove image)

cockfight.jpg


Ahhhhh.....that's better!

Dik!

 
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I feel a jihad coming on.............you won't ever fix this problem, howie. You won't. It will own you....and the rest of this forum. Right on your deathbed you will find out it was those stupid fricken HED's you put on the front of yer skoot because everyone else put them there...........

moron.

 
No joy. As expected, the new TPS didn't affect a solution to my problem.
Back to the drawing board.

Dayum Howie!! I'm feelin bad fer ya dood! Fact I'm aboot ready to take my pump off an ship 'er down to ya.

Seriously, jus say the word...

Hell, I won't need it for a month.... gonna snow again tonight.

:jester:

 
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