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If the engine speed is too low, select a lower gear. :) I say that, though, because if I recall from your video, you would leave it in second or third when you had to slow down, and use the clutch to bring engine speed up. Not good. Down shift for that.

If you're already in first, then a bit of clutch is OK. But the motor will run at 2,000 RPM, believe it or not. There is a vast Universe between idle and 6,000 RPM that you ought to explore . . .

What fries clutches is speed difference. 5,000 rpm engine at 3.86 miles per hour will fry a clutch. 2000 RPM with a little slip is not so bad. And there's nothing wrong with actully stopping when the situation calls for it, and disengaging the clutch completely. :eek:

The only time my clutch slips is starting out from rest, and trying to slow ride, walking speed or less. If I can't get over that speed, I'll stop. Once under way, the clutch doesn't need to slip. Anywhere. Shift to change engine speed, don't slip the clutch.

 
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Vagabird - Kate has a great Ride Report on her K1600GT over at https://www.bmwmoa.org right now. Man, do I ever want my BMW K1600GT! I want it right damn now!

I picked up my K1600 GT on Wednesday and trailered it home. Today (Saturday' date=' May 28) was the first chance I had to actually ride it. I traded in an ’07 R1200 RT – a truly wonderful bike – so I couldn’t help but compare. The weather this weekend was forecast to be crummy, but I was anxious to ride.
First problem: I had wheeled the bike into the garage. To get it out, I could lean on the rear rack of the RT to lift the front wheel off the ground and then turn the bike with both wheels up and only the center stand on the smooth garage floor. I tried that with the K16 but couldn’t get the front wheel to lift.

Second problem: It was 40° with a light rain falling. Since I have to go higher to get anywhere, I checked the road reports and weather radar. The road reports looked good, but the radar showed rain/snow mix. I set the traction control on “rain” and off I went.

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The bike is probably the most solid one I’ve ever had. I find it hard to move when I’m standing next to it, but riding it even at walking speeds it is surprisingly stable, solid, and tractable. Every BMW I’ve had has been a boxer, so this one definitely sounds different. The riding position is very much like the RT. I can flat-foot it on the low seat setting (standard seat), which I couldn’t do on the RT unless it was fully loaded. And if you want a little more power, it gives it. You want a lot more, it has that too. It is a very easy bike to ride.

It rained most of the 35 miles or so across the flat Laramie Plains. I climbed up a thousand feet or so. The temperature dropped to 32, with snow:

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And down into North Park in Colorado. The weather was definitely better, even though it was still in the low forties. The only problem I had now was keeping my speed down. This is a mileage-eater.

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The pavement was still damp, but at least it wasn’t raining. I had lunch in Walden. A mess of motorcyclists came in. I asked them about the weather farther south – better. I stopped at a gas station where a couple of Gold Wing couples were filling up. They’d come from the east across Cameron Pass (10,276 feet). They said the road was great and there wasn’t any falling snow, so I headed up toward the pass.

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The road was dry the whole way except where melt was crossing the road. I put the traction control on ‘road’ and could feel the difference. Temperatures stayed in the forties. This is the best shot of the top, despite my glove being in the way:

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Down the east side the snow soon cleared and the temperatures rose to around 50 with some occasional drizzle. This is a lovely road but can be crowded. The GT has plenty of oomph to pass quickly. A couple of times it almost left me behind when it took off. This bike sure loves the curves. It’s more competent than I am. It keeps its poise even when I back off the throttle in mid-curve – no wobble or hesitation, just smooth execution. I put the traction control on ‘dynamic’ and hung on.

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I headed home. The relatively straight road up over the summit to Laramie always seems really tame after Poudre Canyon. I put only a little more than 200 miles on the bike, but the cold and the layers of clothing wore me out. I may do the same loop tomorrow, but the other direction. The weather is supposed to be the same.

I think the seat and handgrips are harder than on the RT. I found the side-stand a bit awkward, but I’ll get used to it. (It hides under the foot peg.) It’ll take me longer to get used to the awful turn signal switch. It is the standard design instead of the wonderful BMW style. And my other complaint is that there is no usable fairing pocket. The right one will fit an iPod. The left one won’t fit an Anonymous book. The only thing I’ve found so far that’ll fit is a small roll of toilet paper for roadside emergencies.

Still, it is a fantastic motorcycle. My RT was wonderful because it just did everything well. The GT may do everything even better. I can’t wait to take it on a long trip.

- Kate
 
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More BMW K1600GT photos and text from Kate - Vagabird.

I have a service appointment Tuesday and won’t be able to ride Monday' date=' so I thought I should put some more miles on the GT. It was 45° when I left home but no rain. What a difference a day makes. Here’s where I hit snow yesterday:
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It was a sunny and windy day. It climbed into the 60s in the morning and stayed in the 70s all afternoon until I got back to Wyoming. I buzzed through Walden and hit Muddy Pass:

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And then Rabbit Ears Pass:

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Rabbit Ears has two summits. In the area in-between there were people on their snowmobiles, but the road was clear. I went up the Yampa valley and then took CO 134 over Gore Pass:

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This is a wonderful motorcycle road – good pavement, lightly traveled, and lots of curves. Too soon I was back on US 40, with lots of cars (and troopers). I stopped for lunch at The Depot in Hot Sulphur Springs. The place isn’t much, but it’s clean and the green chili burrito really hit the spot.

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I took a little side trip to Grand Lake and then headed home.

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Coming down into Wyoming I hit a strong crosswind – 35 mph winds with gusts over 50. The GT handles wind really well, but that kind of wind makes riding difficult. I was glad to get home.

Today was a bit over 360 miles – about the distance I like to ride in a day. There were some wonderful roads and the bike was flawless. We are starting to get used to each other. This is probably the easiest bike to ride I’ve ever had. But it sure wants to go fast!

- Kate
 
Last installment of Kate - Vagabird's Ride Report on her new BMW K1600GT, she put on her first 900 miles. Man oh man, I can't wait to get my new BMW K1600GT!

Tuesday morning and I have an 8 o’clock appointment in Denver for Greta’s first checkup.
Packing up for camping much of the day at the dealer' date=' I realize once again how good the bags are on this bike. They operate much as the RT‘s but easier and more smoothly. My laptop in its padded case just slides right in, lying flat on the bottom. It would fit in the RT, but I’d have to prop it at an angle and was always afraid of getting it bent if I put too much other stuff in there. Again, the GT is very much like the RT but at the next level.

I thought I’d be able to check out the fancy headlight, but it was already too light. I’ll have to wait until October – I don’t like riding in the evening. Here we are, ready to go at 5:20

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The GT starts like a car – just push the button and it runs. No playing with the throttle, waiting for it to settle down. It did stumble once as I started off immediately after starting it. Perhaps it needs to warm just a tad when it’s been sitting overnight in the mid-thirties, about long enough to adjust my helmet. With the RT, I had to be suited up ready to go when I started it because it would stall if I let go of the throttle. The GT just hums away.

I love riding in the early morning, when it’s peaceful. It was 35° with a cloudless sky, almost no wind. The wind protection on the GT must be better than on the RT, because I had to switch off the electric vest now and then despite the mid-thirties temperature. I took the two-lane south – I’d be on the interstate soon enough. The sun peeked over the horizon just as I got to the road summit.

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Soon after starting up again, I saw an antelope on the side of the road, contemplating crossing. I slowed but it decided to go back away from the road. They tend to be smarter than deer, but what isn’t?

I had thought the menu with the selection wheel would be a problem to learn and operate, but I had no trouble learning it (once I re-read the manual), and it’s easy to work. It can still be a little distracting, but there’s nothing on there that can’t wait until a safe time to operate it.

As I dropped down into Colorado the temperature rose into the 40s and then quickly into the 50s. I got on I-25 at Fort Collins and joined the rush into Denver. The GT barely noticed the deep rain grooves in the concrete highway.

This bike can run with the big dogs or the little dogs or anything else. It is unflappable and inspires confidence. It makes a great freeway warrior. I found the traffic thrilling until we all stopped. Then it was touch and go until I hit the HOV lanes. Working the clutch a lot in the stop-and-go, I noticed again what a soft but solid touch it has. The clutch and gearbox are buttery smooth but secure, with no clunk and no slight lurch. Downshifting into first is the same as downshifting into any other gear. This is a very refined bike.

I live in a small town and am not used to the big-city morning rush. The HOV lanes were nice, especially seeing all the heavy traffic I was passing. But they end too soon and I was once again in stop-and-go. I would have made it to the dealer by 8 but stopped for gas. I know that you can’t go by just one tank, but the GT got 45 mpg – some of it break-in thrashing, some of it cruising at a steady 80, and some of it stop and go rush hour traffic. Not bad.

From the picture at sunrise until the gas stop, I hadn’t gotten off the bike in over two hours. My butt was a little sore. The seat is harder than the RT’s and the side edges are very firm, which I’m not sure that I like. But I usually don’t ride any farther without getting off the bike for one reason or another anyway.

Talking to a man at the dealer about the bike, he said the RT is competent but the GT is exciting. That captures it pretty well. I loved my RT because it did everything well. The GT is exciting and, by the way, does everything well, too.

I got a GS 650 as a loaner and rode into Lodo for lunch. The 650 is a nice bike, but I wouldn’t want to ride it coast to coast. Riding it pointed out to me how smooth and sophisticated the GT is. I took my time riding around, because they were putting on what they call a 3M clear bra to protect the paint of the GT. It was a good lunch and the 650 is fun, but when I got back the installer had shown up two hours late. Fortunately the customer lounge couch is comfy for a nap.

I was back in the Denver traffic at 5pm. The freeway was stop-and-crawl into town. It was 90°, and both the bike and I heated up more than when we run quickly. My toes got plenty toasty – a potential problem if you live where traffic is slow and it is often hot. Everything was fine again, though, as soon as I could get my speed back up.

I stopped in Loveland for supper and to let the traffic abate. Then it was another 100 miles home, stopping in Cheyenne to put on a couple of layers as I climbed in elevation and the day cooled. I got home after 8:30, just as the sun sank below the horizon. I still didn’t get to see the fancy headlight work, but I was ready to stop.

This is one terrific bike. Before this, all my BMWs have been boxers – air-heads and oil-heads. WARNING: If you have a boxer and really love it, DO NOT RIDE A K1600. You may never go back.

- Kate
 
Pfffft!

Typical kool-aid drinker. The Krauts can do no wrong. At $25k+, she better love it.

Hell, she even criticized the new turn signal controls lamenting the change from the 'stupid' BMW ones of old.

 
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Pfffft!

Typical kool-aid drinker. The Krauts can do no wrong. At $25k+, she better love it.

Hell, she even critisized the new turn signal controls lamenting the change from the 'stupid' BMW ones of old.
I've forwarded your "Kraut" comment on to Herr Petey. You better get Chuck Norris to protect you. I did laugh loudly at her turn signal comment, that cracked me up too!

 
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Pfffft!

Typical kool-aid drinker. The Krauts can do no wrong. At $25k+, she better love it.

Hell, she even critisized the new turn signal controls lamenting the change from the 'stupid' BMW ones of old.
I've forwarded your "Kraut" comment on to Herr Petey. You better get Chuck Norris to protect you. I did laugh loudly at her turn signal comment, that cracked me up too!
For me the ride is all about the turn signals. You can have HP and torque and all the gee-whiz gizmos, but if the turn signals are lame, the bike is lame. :D

 
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I guess everybody has their own opinion. My test ride notes are here;

https://www.fjrforum.com/forum//index.php?showtopic=138283

3 worst features;

Riding position (sit up and beg, weight on tailbone)

Seat (locks you in one position, after 2 hrs felt like I was sitting in a bucket of sweat.)

Weight (too damn heavy to ever be much fun in really tight stuff. What does handles great for an 800 lb bike really mean?)

3 best features;

Power

Smoothness

Power

Oops! Power made it twice. Once for low end and once for top end.

 
I guess everybody has their own opinion. My test ride notes are here;

https://www.fjrforum.com/forum//index.php?showtopic=138283

3 worst features;

Riding position (sit up and beg, weight on tailbone)

Seat (locks you in one position, after 2 hrs felt like I was sitting in a bucket of sweat.)

Weight (too damn heavy to ever be much fun in really tight stuff. What does handles great for an 800 lb bike really mean?)

3 best features;

Power

Smoothness

Power

Oops! Power made it twice. Once for low end and once for top end.
Thanks for the GTL Ride Reports stealth1, Those three reasons that you mentioned are what made me decide to go for the BMW K1600GT over the GTL. All three items are indeed true about the GTL, but not about the GT. The GT is 55 lbs. lighter, which puts it approximately in the ballpark with my FJR; with the Givi 55 liter topcase mounted, my FJR is only 45 lbs. lighter than the GT. There is not a bucket seat on the GT and the bars are set forward in almost the same position as my Hines risers FJR. If you ride to SW-FOG this September 6, I will let you take it for a short ride.

Best Regards, BeemerDonS

 
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I guess everybody has their own opinion. My test ride notes are here;

https://www.fjrforum.com/forum//index.php?showtopic=138283

3 worst features;

Riding position (sit up and beg, weight on tailbone)

Seat (locks you in one position, after 2 hrs felt like I was sitting in a bucket of sweat.)

Weight (too damn heavy to ever be much fun in really tight stuff. What does handles great for an 800 lb bike really mean?)

3 best features;

Power

Smoothness

Power

Oops! Power made it twice. Once for low end and once for top end.
Thanks for the GTL Ride Reports stealth1, Those three reasons that you mentioned are what made me decide to go for the BMW K1600GT over the GTL. All three items are indeed true about the GTL, but not about the GT. The GT is 55 lbs. lighter, which puts it approximately in the ballpark with my FJR; with the Givi 55 liter topcase mounted, my FJR is only 45 lbs. lighter than the GT. There is not a bucket seat on the GT and the bars are set forward in almost the same position as my Hines risers FJR. If you ride to SW-FOG this September 6, I will let you take it for a short ride.

Best Regards, BeemerDonS

I don't know if I'll make it back to NM this fall, but thanks for the offer.

I just took a trip to Red River, NM last month. They really have great roads and scenery out there.

 
Nicely Detailed Ride Report from SkooterG and Papa Chuy's good friend Brian Boles.

Saturday, Melanie and I got our ride on the K1600GTL.  Thanks, Tom and Victory BMW. We ran out the 202 to E Mesa, took Bush Highway to Usery Pass then hopped back on 202 to return to Victory.

As I've mentioned before, I was concerned about the passenger accomodations, so I really wanted to consume some seat time.  Here's my $0.02, with comparisons to my GL1200 and also to GL1800, which I've ridden extensively.  I've only test ridden K1200LT's, so I really can't make a comparison there.

The bike has the short seat, which cramped me way too much.  I don't need to flat foot a bike, that's what toes are for. I could get both feet flat and my knees were still bent.   The seat itself is OK, I prefer a flatter pan style seat rather than the saddle shaped stock BMW seats. The peg position seems like it would be OK with the taller seat.  Will need highway pegs and I would prefer floorboards, even at the expense of some lean angle. Handle bar position is good.  My carpal tunnely hands need my fat foamy grips. All of the controls fall into position nicely.  The paddle wheel makes a longer reach to the left bar controls, but not really noticeable.

There's a lot of room between the rider and passenger, more so than the Goldwings.  With the short seat, the passenger towers over the rider. Melanie likes the fore/aft room and the extra knee/foot room vs. the GL1200.  She had no issue with the gap between the seat and top box.  She also liked the shape of the backrest (GL1200 is flat).  She found the grab rails useable even without being able to wrap fingers all of the way around.  They came in handy on some of the "engine tests".  Passenger floorboards will be necessary, especially to assist in climbing on and off the bike.

The windshield is a POS.  I think the problem is that there is no curveature at the upper sides.  There was a lot of turbulent air coming in from the sides which rattled the helmet.  The turbulence was there, unless the windshield was in the lowest position, where I think it angles in enough to let the air flow smoothly.  I did most of the ride with the shield about 1/4 of the way up and the wind wings (silver things on the side of the fairing) deployed.  The cockpit air stayed cool.  The K1600 doesn't have the GL problem of wind coming in from behind at higher speed.  Melanie did not have the buffeting that I did and found the air management good.

The bike will shed some heat on the lower legs, especially when taking off from a stop.  Nothing too bad.  I didn't notice any heat getting into the cockpit.  I didn't hear any fans coming on, so I don't know if that will pour out heat or not. The heat management seems good.

The steering definitely doesn't have that wheelbarrow feel that K1200LT's have.  It's similar at the bars to the GL1800, both of which have a long reach from the grips to the steering stem.  The steering is very light, meaning that the bike doesn't need to be pushed over to initiate a turn and doesn't self center.  Personally, I like a heavier steering feel, but I got used to it with no problems.

A lot of people mentioned throttle control issues.  I didn't have any.  To be safe, I started the ride in Rain mode. I quickly got a feel for the clutch, switched over to Dynamic mode, and never changed back.  The bike did seem to leave a stop easier with a little clutch drag before bringing in throttle.  Shifting was totally smooth and very nice.  The bike has some engine intake noise, so it is not dead quiet while running.  The GL1800 has a gear whine that is similarly loud.  The GL1200 is quieter than both.  I also remember the K1200LT as being very quiet.

Yes, the bike has a S-load of power and is stinky fast.  Especially over 5-6K on the tach.  Who cares.  It's fun for a couple of times, but will be mostly un-useable in real life except maybe climbing I-17 south out of Camp Verde.  It may just be me, but give me that lovely engine in 1200cc and give me back 2" of foot room.  Fortunately, there's plenty of engine below 5K, and it's real world useability is excellent overall. The 6 cylinders are definitely worth the effort.  The whole bike is glass smooth, even more than the GL1800, which used to be the smoothness king.

The bike will hit a C-note without even trying.  At autobahn speeds, it is just as smooth and composed as speeds that won't result in jail time.  Oddly, the windshield buffeting improves somewhat with the needle to the right.

The cornering is excellent, although like I mentioned before, the steering is light for my taste.  Compared to the GL's, cornering is a non-event.  The bike will pick up any lean angle you want, and track it.  The bike has a good bit of engine braking and rolling a series of corners just on the throttle is easy and fun.  Cornering on a GL can be much more exciting, as a GL doesn't like to be disturbed while cornering.  The K1600 didn't get bothered by pavement irregularites, line changes or speed changes.  The bike also felt light and taut, and didn't have the GL wallow.

On a bumpy section of road, I tried the 3 suspension settings.  The bike was programmed for preload set to 2-up. For most of the ride, I used Comfort, which worked well.  The comfort setting did give a bit of a wallow over a series of dips, but otherwise did fine.  The Normal setting provided a little more damping but didn't seem substantially different than Comfort.  The Sport setting is very noticeable.  The suspension stiffened up significantly, to the point where every tar snake could be felt in the bars.  It also seemed like the rear of the bike raised a inch or two. I didn't think the ride setting affected the preload, but maybe it does.  In sport mode, the bike feels like a crotch rocket, for someone with a really massive crotch.

We listened to the tunes on speaker, as I don't have any bluetooth helmets installed yet.  The speakers sound OK, but they are too far away to be heard well and the passenger has no speakers.  The bike seems to have a setting for making the speaker volume be speed dependant (i.e. loud when fast, quieter when slow), but it didn't seem to help.  Both GL and Harleys have the music on speaker systems more thought out.

Using the audio system with the paddle wheel is very nice.  In fact, the whole paddle wheel system is excellent.  Very easy to use while riding. One nit, if you finish making a change and don't touch the wheel for a while, I would expect that the display would revert to the base display.  Nope, it doesn't.  When you finish, you have to toggle back to the main display yourself.

The cruise control works very well, although I would like a cancel button, rather than turning the system off and back on.  Brake or clutch tap will cancel.

Each of the bags will eat my XXL Shuberth C4 and that's a very good thing.  The side bags are a hair smaller than the GL1200, but still have plenty of room.  Some good bag liners would help maximize the utilization of the space.  The handlebar button that controls the locks is super cool.   

Overall, it's better than I expected.  The smoothness and the handling are the sellers for me.  I really love my old GL1200, but Honda quit making parts for it in 1997 (10 years after model close).  Even with ebay, it's getting nearly impossible to keep the old ride going considering how it gets ridden.  Time to upgrade !
 
Mi Sobrino (my Nephew) Enrique "Henry" Garza picked up his muy bonita nueva "La Roja" BMW K1600GT on Friday and put the first 300 miles on her on Saturday; La Motocicleta es Magnifica!

My illegitimate bastard son SkooterG has always been envious of his Cousin Enrique, because "Henry" is a City of Mesa Firefighter and GregM was a Highway Patrol Officer; a standard and typical Firefigher versus LEO thing. This will just make these two Cousin's rivalry even worse!

I returned today from 308 miles on our 1st long ride. Up to Payson, east on 260 then south on 60 (Salt river Canyon). Rode 85 miles the 1st day she came home. The rain storm and 60 degree temp. in Showlow and into Salt River Canyon should have washed off Skooters booger.
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The article that follows chronicles the development of the BMW K1600GT/GTL engine by UK-based technical consulting firm, Ricardo PLC:

https://www.ricardo.com/Documents/RQ%20pdf/RQ%202011/Q2/RQ_Q2_2011.pdf BMW "Dream Six" article is on pages 10-15.

An earlier Ricardo Quarterly documented the development of the K1300x engines. As a Beemer Guy, it was interesting that the Six was being developed at the same time as the K1300x engines were being developed; yet BMW then waited another three more years before bringing the Big Six to market. Enjoy the technical reading.

 
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The article that follows chronicles the development of the BMW K1600GT/GTL engine by UK-based technical consulting firm, Ricardo PLC:

https://www.ricardo.com/Documents/RQ%20pdf/RQ%202011/Q2/RQ_Q2_2011.pdf BMW "Dream Six" article is on pages 10-15.

An earlier Ricardo Quarterly documented the development of the K1300x engines. As a Beemer Guy, it was interesting that the Six was being developed at the same time as the K1300x engines were being developed; yet BMW then waited another three more years before bringing the Big Six to market. Enjoy the technical reading.
That's an excellent read Don. I really like that bike as well. I would probably get one if I was in the market. I am anxious to hear about yours when you get one.

 
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