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Dear MCRIDER007, thanks for your Ride Report; I always like to have other opinions, I do wonder what "mode" your bike was set up with though! SkooterG and I found out, after our test ride: Our GTL was set up with the most aggressive suspension and least competitive performance mode.
Good questions...due to some previous experiences with very harsh rides on test bikes, I asked the salesman to set the bike up for a solo rider without luggage. I used all three modes (comfort, normal, sport) during my test ride and didn't notice much of a difference between the modes. All three modes felt great on smooth pavement, very ineffective on rough pavement. When the pavement got bumpy, it seemed like I was driving a Buick with worn out shocks...or a 1500 Goldwing.

I don't know what performance mode was being used but I thought the engine performance was more than adequate. It didn't have a lot of roll on snap in 6th gear, but seemed pretty quick in 5th. It was very easy to get to 80-90 mph in 3rd or 4th and I had to look at the speedometer to know how fast I was going, there isn't much feedback to the rider because the engine is so smooth and the cockpit so quiet.

 
Dear MCRIDER007, thanks for your Ride Report; I always like to have other opinions, I do wonder what "mode" your bike was set up with though! SkooterG and I found out, after our test ride: Our GTL was set up with the most aggressive suspension and least competitive performance mode.
Good questions...due to some previous experiences with very harsh rides on test bikes, I asked the salesman to set the bike up for a solo rider without luggage. I used all three modes (comfort, normal, sport) during my test ride and didn't notice much of a difference between the modes. All three modes felt great on smooth pavement, very ineffective on rough pavement. When the pavement got bumpy, it seemed like I was driving a Buick with worn out shocks...or a 1500 Goldwing.

I don't know what performance mode was being used but I thought the engine performance was more than adequate. It didn't have a lot of roll on snap in 6th gear, but seemed pretty quick in 5th. It was very easy to get to 80-90 mph in 3rd or 4th and I had to look at the speedometer to know how fast I was going, there isn't much feedback to the rider because the engine is so smooth and the cockpit so quiet.

How easy is it going to be to service these bikes? Oil change, air filter, etc.

 
Dear MCRIDER007, thanks for your Ride Report; I always like to have other opinions, I do wonder what "mode" your bike was set up with though! SkooterG and I found out, after our test ride: Our GTL was set up with the most aggressive suspension and least competitive performance mode.
Good questions...due to some previous experiences with very harsh rides on test bikes, I asked the salesman to set the bike up for a solo rider without luggage. I used all three modes (comfort, normal, sport) during my test ride and didn't notice much of a difference between the modes. All three modes felt great on smooth pavement, very ineffective on rough pavement. When the pavement got bumpy, it seemed like I was driving a Buick with worn out shocks...or a 1500 Goldwing.

I don't know what performance mode was being used but I thought the engine performance was more than adequate. It didn't have a lot of roll on snap in 6th gear, but seemed pretty quick in 5th. It was very easy to get to 80-90 mph in 3rd or 4th and I had to look at the speedometer to know how fast I was going, there isn't much feedback to the rider because the engine is so smooth and the cockpit so quiet.

How easy is it going to be to service these bikes? Oil change, air filter, etc.
Not a problem at all for Don! He will ride his happy *** to the BMW shop and tell them what he wants done. :p

 
How easy is it going to be to service these bikes? Oil change, air filter, etc.
Another good question...that I did not ask, but if you look at the pictures, the valve cover is pretty exposed, so it may not be that hard to remove the lower fairings and get access to the motor.

When I got home I found the latest edition of Cycle World with a full test of the GTL. Their scales listed the dry weight at 753 lbs and fully gassed at 797...and estimated the dry weight of the GT at around 720, which would put it around 758 with gas, about 70 pounds heavier than the C14 and 90 pounds heavier than the FJR. That seems to be too much extra weight for the GT to be competitive in the Sport-Touring class unless you were comparing it to the ST1300.

 
...Cycle World...GTL Their scales listed the dry weight at 753 lbs and fully gassed at 797

...and estimated the dry weight of the GT at around 720, which would put it around 758 with gas,

about 70 pounds heavier than the C14 and 90 pounds heavier than the FJR.
"I ain't gonna carry it -- I'm gonna ride the damn thing."

(hey, it's friday... ;) )

 
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Man - those bars are pulled way back! Sort of like a ST1300 or GoldWing where the steering head seems like it's on a whole different park of the bike.

 
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As much as I hate to admit it, I am a recent convert from the FJR to a K1200GT. I have to say I really like the K bike, it is deceptively fast and handles quite well once you get the hang of it. It has some really neat features with the ESA, cruise control etc. I found a used 2008 with @ 8,700 miles. So far so good......

I will say that the K1600 will probably be in my future in a couple of years, the sound of that engine is truly unique.

Go for it Don!!!

J

 
...Cycle World...GTL Their scales listed the dry weight at 753 lbs and fully gassed at 797

...and estimated the dry weight of the GT at around 720, which would put it around 758 with gas,

about 70 pounds heavier than the C14 and 90 pounds heavier than the FJR.
"I ain't gonna carry it -- I'm gonna ride the damn thing."

(hey, it's friday... ;) )
Roger That!!

 
Well at least it shows more cleavage motor than the FJR, but still not as much as the CBX. If'n I had 6 pipes, I sure as hell would want to show 'em off. That's one reason I wanted the old Valkyrie so much.

 
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I would call up SkooterG and ask him to post up his personal thoughts and riding observations on the K1600, but he gets so damn cranky if gets awoken before 1000 hours.
I completely understand. :yes:

Regarding the K1600.... I want one! :yahoo:

And depending on the diagnosis I get on Monday regarding my blue baby, I may be in the market. But don't BMWs cost a freakin' fortune to get worked on? My buddy with the K1200RS won't let me borrow his bike (the prick :glare: ), 'cause he says I'm hard on clutches. Who, me? :rolleyes: And he says it would cost him $2K to replace the clutch.

 
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Rider's Manuals -- GT and GTL

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If you're interested in reading the manuals for the GT and GTL, check out these (available on the BMW Motorrad Canada website):

https://www.bmw-motorrad.ca/pdfs/riders/K1600GT.pdf

https://www.bmw-motorrad.ca/pdfs/riders/K1600GTL.pdf

Interestingly, they're actually using some fuses in these bikes.

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Blind Squirrel: I will have my selling BMW Dealer do the 6K miles maintenance interval work during its 3-year warranty; to maintain the warranty without questions.

However one of the nicest things about my BMW MOA Club AZ Beemers is that we have extremely skilled mechanic members who put on Tech Days to learn how to maintain our bikes. I learned how to do all of my own maintenance on my two Type 259 Oilheads through these Club classes; valve adjustments, brake jobs, etceteras.

James Burleigh: I had to replace the clutch on my 1996 BMW R1100GS nine years ago and it cost me $900 at Iron Horse BMW Cycles in Tucson, AZ. No fault of Der Motorraden, I had ridden Baja California Norte y Sur and I ran it up the West Side Highway from San Juanico (Scorpion Bay) to San Ignacio (Scammon's Lagoon) on the soft sad on the beach. No bike that big with a rider this fat (265 lbs.) should be riding soft sand for over 125 miles. I damaged mi Mexico Mule's clutch all by myself.

Not familiar with the K1200RS, but really shocked as to how that machine's clutch replacement could be twice that of an Oilhead Type 259! Who is his BMW Shop?

 
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Not familiar with the K1200RS, but really shocked as to how that machine's clutch replacement could be twice that of an Oilhead Type 259! Who is his BMW Shop?
His bike looks like this. He goes somewhere in Marin County ('nuff said).

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Ha, ha! Hans, I definitely know what a K1200RS is; I am just not familiar with its mechanics! This K1600GT will be my very first K Series BMW, I know there will be a lot of new things to learn.

The Marin County BMW Motorcycles shop is in San Rafael, https://www.marinbmw.com and they have an outstanding reputation for service. $2K for a clutch replacement is really a mind blower!

I never-ever feather an M/C clutch unless I am riding offroad on dirt, so hopefully I will get long life out of the K16's clutch; I will keep everybody informed of the maintenance cost during warranty.

 
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Not familiar with the K1200RS, but really shocked as to how that machine's clutch replacement could be twice that of an Oilhead Type 259! Who is his BMW Shop?
His bike looks like this. He goes somewhere in Marin County ('nuff said).

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Ha, ha! Hans, I definitely know what a K1200RS is; I am just not familiar with its mechanics! This K1600GT will be my very first K Series BMW, I know there will be a lot of new things to learn.

The Marin County BMW Motorcycles shop is in San Rafael, https://www.marinbmw.com and they have an outstanding reputation for service. $2K for a clutch replacement is really a mind blower!

I never-ever feather an M/C clutch unless I am riding offroad on dirt, so hopefully I will get long life out of the K16's clutch; I will keep everybody informed of the maintenance cost during warranty.

I have done a couple clutch jobs on K1100LT beemers and it is a nightmare. the one pictured is the same layout. The older K bikes the engine is inline with the bike and the clutch is at the rear of the engine. On the newer K bikes the crank is like the FJR so the clutch is much easier to get at. On the K bike you start at the license plate and start digging and remove the entire rear of the bike one piece at a time including the swing arm assy and suspension. The book says to remove the entire ABS assy. but if you are very carefull you can flex things enough to get the trans out. make sure you use new bolts and ALWAYS replace the front trans seal and the seal on the clutch push rod or you will be back .

I can see 2k on a clutch knowing dealer pricing and shop rates. :eek:

 
Just read the "BMW marketing magazine" also know as CycleWorld on this bike. Nice, but Holy ****, It's expensive! :dribble:

 
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July 2011 Issue of Rider Magazine had a nice 3-page additional writeup article on BMW K1600 GTL starting on page 40.

On page 41 they showed the dyno results: 134.9 horsepower at 7900 rpm and 114.3 foot pounds of torque at 5300 rpm.

2012 BMW K 1600 GTL | FIRST U.S. TEST

Dynamic Luxury (Rider, July 2011)

by Mark Tuttle

Rider Report

photography by Rich Cox

When upbeat reports started hitting the Interwebs from the very first evening of the BMW K 1600 GT/L world introduction in South Africa in February, including some from our road test editor on the scene, we were elated. The new six-cylinder bikes were not just good, they said, they were “Game Changers,” and had an “Unsurpassed level of sophistication and refinement.” Another great bike is always good news. The next day brought even more superlative language and enthusiasm about the K 1600s online. Then, as motoscribes began to trickle home and write, post and print more detailed stories from the intro, the K 1600s took on an air of not just great, but unequaled and perfect in every way, even a “Second Coming” for motorcycling’s luxury-touring segment.

Uh-oh, I thought, I’ve seen this before. Something can happen to moto­journalists when they snap on the belt in a Business Class seat, off on an exotic boondoggle complete with the keys to the first ride on an OEM’s latest and greatest bike. Glowing reports emerge from intros in Europe and other far-flung places that are later toned-down or even wholly contradicted when the motorcycles are put through the reality of stateside gauntlets in solo or comparison tests (in BMW’s case, the K1300GT and K1 come to mind). One of our staff would never succumb to such intro brainwashing, but nevertheless we decided to follow-up with a U.S. test of the fully kitted K 1600 GTL right away, including confirmation of its supposed miraculous light weight and stupendous power on the Rider scale and dynamometer.

Advertisement After those tests and 500-plus miles here both two-up and solo, I’m happy to report that not only does our road test editor have impervious scruples, the BMW K 1600 GTL is flat amazing. Almost every word of Greg Drevenstedt’s report (online at www.ridermagazine.com and in the May 2011 issue) is stingingly accurate, particularly his description of the bike’s power, handling and braking. Here on the Jett Tuning Dynojet dyno it blasted out 134.9 horsepower and 114.3 lb-ft of torque at the rear wheel, right in keeping with BMW’s claims at the crank after accounting for frictional losses. Combined with a 776-pound wet weight for the Premium-package-equipped model, the K 1600 GTL has the best power-to-weight ratio in the luxury-touring class by a wide margin. The new six-cylinder sounds and feels just as good as described, too, and our fuel economy on the specified 89-octane stuff here in California was quite good at 40.2 mpg average, giving it a more than 280-mile range from its 7-gallon tank.

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The bike lives up to its billing in many other areas as well. While not as broad as some other bikes in the class, the GTL’s fairing provides excellent wind and weather protection, and on a warm day only a moderate amount of engine heat reaches the rider’s left leg. Flip-out wind deflectors can be aimed to direct blasts of cooling air to the rider’s midsection, and fully raised the electric windscreen provides a quiet ride for rider and passenger (though you will have to look through it). Lowered for looking over it (when it’s covered with bugs, in the rain or in corners, for example) you’ll still need earplugs, but it doesn’t create much turbulence.

Four full-face helmets fit in the luggage as promised, with two on their sides in the top trunk, which is mounted on a well-designed luggage rack. The power central locking with remote on the Premium GTL is a giggle, and even without it a key is not required to open or close the cases, and all come off easily.

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Ergonomics are on the comfortable yet sporty side for a luxo, with slightly higher, more rearset footpegs than others but an upright seating position and a wide, comfortable seat that is very low, making the bike easy to paddle around (a good thing since there’s no reverse). Anyone with an inseam longer than my 29 inches will probably want the no-extra-cost taller seat for more legroom. Contrary to some initial reports the passenger accommodations are well shaped, too, with a plush seat and backrest that are supremely comfortable for long rides. The grab handles are mostly blocked by the seat and too low, however, and the topmost pad seems superfluous (and unsightly?). Functional rearview mirrors are on stalks that fold inward and the bike is fairly easy to push around, with easy-to-deploy center- and sidestands. Instruments, menus and switches are all well-placed, comprehensive and even fun to use. I found that a Garmin Zumo 660 fits perfectly in the GPS carrier and turns on and off with the ignition, but you’ll need the BMW Navigator unit to control it from the handlebar.

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Disappointments are few. We don’t see much in the way of standard tipover protection, which could get quite costly with all of that pretty plastic, though we didn’t push the bike over to disprove it. While the sound system is great, there are no rear speakers and audiophiles will need headsets to capture music that is otherwise unintelligible from the front-only speakers at high speed. There aren’t any passenger storage compartments that are accessible while underway, and the two front locking fairing pockets are small. Some driveline lash and clunky, long-throw shifting intrudes at times, and riding loaded and two-up we’d like a little stronger engine pull starting out from a stop, the only time the revvy, light-flywheeled engine lacks torque. We’d also like to be able to change power modes (Dynamic, Road and Rain) with just the handlebar button instead of also having to pull in the clutch. And while the GTL has far better stability than the K 1200 LT ­at speed or a walking pace, two-up it can still feel a little unpredictable coming to a stop until you’re well practiced.

We had our first chance to sample the Adaptive Xenon headlight with this test bike, and it also exceeds our expectations. Although you can really only see the dynamic leveling in action at a stop—while using the Electronic Suspension Adjustment to adjust preload or when a passenger climbs on or off, for example —in corners the white, bright little golf-ball-like Adaptive headlight seems to predict your intentions and magically reaches well ahead around the corner, like a slice or hook shot. Supplemented with the high beam and the auxiliary fog lights on our test bike it’s almost like riding in daylight.

While it may not be the Second Coming (my understanding is that if and when that takes place it will be on two legs rather than two wheels), a fast, sporty version of luxury motorcycle-touring heaven is definitely coming to dealerships very soon, and it’s called the BMW K 1600 GTL. We’ll have a test of the GT version and the expected comparisons with both in future issues.

2012 BMW K 1600 GTL

Base Price: $23,200

Price as Tested: $25,845 (Premium package)

Warranty: 3 yrs., 36,000 miles

Website: www.bmwmotorcycles.com

Engine

Type: Liquid-cooled, transverse, in-line six

Displacement: 1,649cc

Bore x Stroke: 72.0 x 67.5mm

Compression Ratio: 12.2:1

Valve Train: DOHC, 4 valves per cyl.

Valve Adj. Interval: Varies, computer monitored

Fuel Delivery: BMS-X EFI, 52mm throttle valves

Lubrication System: Dry sump, 4.75-qt. cap.

Transmission: 6-speed, hydraulically actuated wet clutch

Final Drive: Shaft, 2.75:1

Electrical

Ignition: BMS-X Computer Controlled

Charging Output: 580 watts max.

Battery: 12V 19AH

Chassis

Frame: Cast-aluminum-alloy twin-spar main frame w/ engine as stressed member & aluminum subframe; Paralever single-sided swingarm

Wheelbase: 63.7 in.

Rake/Trail: 27.8 degrees/4.2 in.

Seat Height: 29.5 in.; optional high seat: 30.7 in.

Suspension, Front: BMW Duolever w/ Electronic Suspension Adjustment (ESA II, as tested), 4.5-in. travel

Rear: Single shock w/ Electronic Suspension Adjustment (ESA II, as tested), 5.3 in. travel

Brakes, Front: Dual discs w/ radial opposed 4-piston calipers & partial integral ABS

Rear: Single disc w/ 2-piston caliper & ABS

Wheels, Front: Cast, 3.50 x 17 in.

Rear: Cast, 6.00 x 17 in.

Tires, Front: 120/70-ZR17

Rear: 190/55-ZR17

Wet Weight: 776 lbs. (as tested)

Load Capacity: 459 lbs. (as tested)

GVWR: 1,235 lbs.

Performance

Fuel Capacity: 7.0 gals., last 1.9 gal. warning light on

MPG: 89 PON min. (high/avg/low) 42.7/40.2/37.8

Estimated Range: 281 miles

Indicated rpm at 60 mph: 2,750

 
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Ha, ha! Hans, I definitely know what a K1200RS is; I am just not familiar with its mechanics!
Allow me to familiarize you with its mechanics: :eek:

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BTW, in case you're not familiar with the FJR either, here's what they look like: :D

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This K1600GT will be my very first K Series BMW, I know there will be a lot of new things to learn.
So I guess I haven't read this thread very carefully. I figured you two checked these out just for the free test ride. But you're actually getting yourself one of these?! Just for the record: I hate you. :glare:

The Marin County BMW Motorcycles shop is in San Rafael, https://www.marinbmw.com and they have an outstanding reputation for service. $2K for a clutch replacement is really a mind blower!
Well, the quote for my clutch, including parts and labor, is $1,300. :(

I never-ever feather an M/C clutch unless I am riding offroad on dirt, so hopefully I will get long life out of the K16's clutch; I will keep everybody informed of the maintenance cost during warranty.
I need to start a post under NEPRT asking how to use a clutch. No one ever actually taught me, so I figured it out on my own, which was obviously the wrong way. I think I have an irrational fear of lugging the engine. You may now disavow me of that fear.

 
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