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OBFJR
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2" S & W Airweight 38+P, very concealable, keep it in a kydex paddle holster. Otherwise Glock 19 or S & W .40 in similar holsters. But comfort and conceal size push me to the Airweight.
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Gotta love Airweights... 'specially the 638. The humpy is so ugly it looks good.
John.
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Powerman
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Who designed the glovebox? My Glock 27 won't fit, not even my sun glasses case. (ST1100 does)
Might as well carry my Glock 20 10MM if I have to use the saddlebags.
I shoot 135 grain Noslers @ 1300 fps in the 40.
Might as well carry my Glock 20 10MM if I have to use the saddlebags.
I shoot 135 grain Noslers @ 1300 fps in the 40.
waldmana
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I usually carry a Glock 30 for concealed carry, however, I will at times carry my SA XD .45ACP Service model. The Glock I keep in a paddle hoster on my hip and the the XD in a belt hoster round my back. I seriously doubt I would ever need the gun while riding, but once off the bike is when I am thankfull I have my gun and CCW.
2006FJR
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I carry an XD9 on short trips and will take my Sig P220ST on longer trips. Extra clips on the glove compartment.
SMC
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:blink: As per concealed carry regs, on my person somewhere concealed in a variety of ways and locations depending on weather, temperature and what I'm wearing.
Glock 27, or 23. One extra magazine. Corbon 135 gr. or Magsafe.
Considering carrying Springfield Armory XD-45 tactical in the future, oh what wonderful groups you can get with this gem!
Glock 27, or 23. One extra magazine. Corbon 135 gr. or Magsafe.
Considering carrying Springfield Armory XD-45 tactical in the future, oh what wonderful groups you can get with this gem!
sumotony
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Springfield Armory XD9 Service Model 4". Federal 147 grain jacketed Hydra-Shok hollow point.
Have never carried the piece, but getting some ideas from the other posts.
Have never carried the piece, but getting some ideas from the other posts.
SecuLaw
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I'm a little late in reading this but you need to be careful. In the Socialist Republic of Maryland it is against the law to transport a handgun unless you are traveling to or back from a pistol range and then the LEO is going to want to see proof. Further, the handgun must be located in the vehicle so as not to be accessible by any person in the vehicle. How that would work on a motorcycle is some what fuzzy.
But, cross over the Woodrow Wilson bridge (or at Point of Rocks) into Virginia and you can openly carry or take a short training course, get a permit and you can carry concealed. Two states side by side with laws 180 degrees apart.
zzzzip
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Ok a short Constitutional law primer:
No search without a warrant or probable cause-- in Maryland or any other country in the US.
Place the gun in something secured like a zipped tank bag, saddlebag or what ever (not on your person in a pocket-- frisk for weapons is OK per Sandy Day and the Supremes). Officer has to have reasonable suspicion to ask for a search without a warrant... you say, "state your reason for request", and then say no. If he doesn't have probable cause (and if he did, he wouldn't ask for permission in the first place) he can't search. If he does, sue his ass. If you left it in plain sight, or are carrying it on you, do not pass go and go straight to jail.
End of lesson.
B)
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SecuLaw
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Correct. But why take the risk? Suit? Biker versus cop. Biker with a handgun...concealed no less. Bet the lawyer wouldn't take that on a contingency bases.
zzzzip
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Couldn't agree more... don't do the crime if you can't do the time. Fortunately, I fall under the Federal get out of jail free exemption, and can carry anywhere-- no matter what Maryland says.
Correct. But why take the risk? Suit? Biker versus cop. Biker with a handgun...concealed no less. Bet the lawyer wouldn't take that on a contingency bases.
B)
including federal property?Couldn't agree more... don't do the crime if you can't do the time. Fortunately, I fall under the Federal get out of jail free exemption, and can carry anywhere-- no matter what Maryland says.
Correct. But why take the risk? Suit? Biker versus cop. Biker with a handgun...concealed no less. Bet the lawyer wouldn't take that on a contingency bases.
B)
zzzzip
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Nope, nor anyplace that has a sign up saying "no weapons".
I was referring to states and municipalities in general, as they can not make any prohibitions.
There are a number of restrictions applying like schools, courthouses, big sporting events, etc. Owners still have rights over their property and who carries/doesn't carry there. You still have to watch your Ps & Qs to not be illegal.
That's for CCW-- at least I can now carry in my vehicle in any state.
B)
Edit: The law has since been changed to where I can carry any where an on-duty police officer can.
I was referring to states and municipalities in general, as they can not make any prohibitions.
There are a number of restrictions applying like schools, courthouses, big sporting events, etc. Owners still have rights over their property and who carries/doesn't carry there. You still have to watch your Ps & Qs to not be illegal.
That's for CCW-- at least I can now carry in my vehicle in any state.
B)
Edit: The law has since been changed to where I can carry any where an on-duty police officer can.
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Constitutional issues aside (it can be very costly to prove to a court that you are right AND i'm sure we've all heard about The Patriot Act).
The Firearms Owners Protection Act was passed specifically to deal with these cases; where a local jurisdiction ignored origination and destination (or even intent or lack of criminal history). It made for standardized transportation guidelines that protect firearm owners who are traveling THROUGH an asshat district. The firearm is locked and out of reach of the driver/rider and the ammo is stored (not loaded in the firearm), AND it is legal to possess the firearm in your origination and destination locations, then a local jurisdiction CANNOT impose their asshat restrictions on you.
As with many things like this, these laws are a defense to prosecution. You should probably walk out of a court room vindicated but that doesn't always mean it avoids a trip to the pokey and the legal costs incurred to get you through the entire process.
Hey, ZZZZZip, what CCW do you have that has universal reciprocity? I have yet to see one documented anywhere that's that good. Maybe one day it'll be like D/Ls are. And, then later, Constitutional Carry can be a possibility. ( https://www.packing.org/state/ )
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Aviator
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Wow this thread will not die!!! I was just browsing through and saw it again.
OK Bounce, zzzzip is referring to H.R. 218, the "Law Enforcement Officers' Safety Act"
Now back to MD and how to carry in MD. If you want to take the chance on the Second Amendment right and open carry. you could try that in court. But I have not really found the need to push my luck at that since the Second Amendment rights does not apply to states.
When I do go into the ASSHAT State of MD. Which is probably everyday and when I am carrying on those days. I usually just take the firearm off and slide it somewhere. Once into MD and/or at my point of destination I put it in the case and lock it into the trunk. For the purpose of being on the bike, if I know I am going to MD. I make sure it is locked in the saddle bag with the rounds separate. MD Law states:
The only legal time and way you can transport a firearm in a vehicle without a permit is: While transporting a weapon to:
A Gun shop for repairs.
From place of legal purchase.
Formal or informal target shoot.
Sport shooting event.
Hunting.
Trapping.
Dog obedience training class or show.
Organized military activity.
NOTE: In the above exceptions, while traveling to or from any such place or event referred to, a handgun shall be unloaded and carried in an enclosed case, box or holster. ( I can not find anything in Maryland Law about transporting in the trunk or in an area unavailable to occupants in the vehicle. After reading their law I would carry it only in the trunk)
I can always state that I am headed to a gun shop for repairs or a target range (if they ever found it and I usually know where the closest range is). But we still go back to the rule of do they have probable cause for finding it anyways. Probably not. I have been pulled over while carrying in MD. The gun was in a locked box under the seat. I was not speeding or doing anything to give them a reason to pull me over. Their reason was because they could not see my registration sticker (BS it was Holiday season and they saw a nice car and thought 'ohhh he is probably coming from a holiday party and might of had some drinks')
I could have been a smart ass and walked behind the car and looked the the very visible sticker. But since I did have a loaded firearm in the car, why bother.
I guess my next 2 cents of this story is. . . be smart about it. I can legal carry in VA and the states that accept VA CCW. MD is not and will never be one of those. But it doesn't not prevent you from having one properly secured while in the state. I am pretty confident that having a firearm locked in my saddle bag which needs a key to open it, which is in the ignition. Is a rather secure place and not accessible to me or anyone else. Plus it is only a misdemeanor if you are ever found guilty, I am willing to take that risk over the risk of driving through P.G. County without one.
Aviator has now stepped off the soap box.
OK Bounce, zzzzip is referring to H.R. 218, the "Law Enforcement Officers' Safety Act"
Now back to MD and how to carry in MD. If you want to take the chance on the Second Amendment right and open carry. you could try that in court. But I have not really found the need to push my luck at that since the Second Amendment rights does not apply to states.
When I do go into the ASSHAT State of MD. Which is probably everyday and when I am carrying on those days. I usually just take the firearm off and slide it somewhere. Once into MD and/or at my point of destination I put it in the case and lock it into the trunk. For the purpose of being on the bike, if I know I am going to MD. I make sure it is locked in the saddle bag with the rounds separate. MD Law states:
The only legal time and way you can transport a firearm in a vehicle without a permit is: While transporting a weapon to:
A Gun shop for repairs.
From place of legal purchase.
Formal or informal target shoot.
Sport shooting event.
Hunting.
Trapping.
Dog obedience training class or show.
Organized military activity.
NOTE: In the above exceptions, while traveling to or from any such place or event referred to, a handgun shall be unloaded and carried in an enclosed case, box or holster. ( I can not find anything in Maryland Law about transporting in the trunk or in an area unavailable to occupants in the vehicle. After reading their law I would carry it only in the trunk)
I can always state that I am headed to a gun shop for repairs or a target range (if they ever found it and I usually know where the closest range is). But we still go back to the rule of do they have probable cause for finding it anyways. Probably not. I have been pulled over while carrying in MD. The gun was in a locked box under the seat. I was not speeding or doing anything to give them a reason to pull me over. Their reason was because they could not see my registration sticker (BS it was Holiday season and they saw a nice car and thought 'ohhh he is probably coming from a holiday party and might of had some drinks')
I could have been a smart ass and walked behind the car and looked the the very visible sticker. But since I did have a loaded firearm in the car, why bother.
I guess my next 2 cents of this story is. . . be smart about it. I can legal carry in VA and the states that accept VA CCW. MD is not and will never be one of those. But it doesn't not prevent you from having one properly secured while in the state. I am pretty confident that having a firearm locked in my saddle bag which needs a key to open it, which is in the ignition. Is a rather secure place and not accessible to me or anyone else. Plus it is only a misdemeanor if you are ever found guilty, I am willing to take that risk over the risk of driving through P.G. County without one.
Aviator has now stepped off the soap box.
in YOUR case the Firearm Owners Protection Act doesn't help you since your destination is MD so their local rules apply. If someone was starting in VA and heading somewhere that took them through MD, they would be covered if "transporting" (not "carrying" in the legal sense).
side note: but, we have case history, academic research wrt original intent and, more recently, a federal disctrict court ruling that support the 2nd A as an INDIVIDUAL Right, so the claim by some that it's a fed and not a state issue is moot.
but, like you said (and so have i) it's simpler to keep a low profile. jumping up and down and biting the bushes about such things might eventually end with a "win" for you but the process can be long, tedious, and costly.
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Aviator
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The Act also doesn't help me because I was never a LEO.
Your statement is dead on, just keep a low profile. Sorry but this topic just get's me going. I have applied and been denied a CCW from MD. I could and have seriously thought about just applying as a business man with large cash deposits, but I disagree with the law and I don't think that those typical 'Tom, Dick and Harry's' should carry anyways.
Your statement is dead on, just keep a low profile. Sorry but this topic just get's me going. I have applied and been denied a CCW from MD. I could and have seriously thought about just applying as a business man with large cash deposits, but I disagree with the law and I don't think that those typical 'Tom, Dick and Harry's' should carry anyways.
the FOPA was passed in 1986 and should be more widely known that it is. It's not "for cops". It's for everyone else. That's why it's not called the LEO Protection Act. Interesting that misunderstandings continue about these protections?
https://www.hardylaw.net/FOPA.html
"In response to reports of hunters being arrested for firearms law violations while passing through a state with tight controls, FOPA's drafters inserted provisions to offer protection for such travel. S. 49 as introduced provided that any provision of state or local law 'which prohibits or has the effect of prohibiting the transportation of a firearm or ammunition in interstate commerce through such state, when such firearm is unloaded and not readily accessible, [Page 677] shall be null and void.' On the Senate floor, an amendment was accepted which changed this in two respects: (1) the protection was extended only to persons not prohibited by the Gun Control Act from transporting, shipping or receiving a firearm; and (2) the provision that an infringing law was to be null and void was dropped in favor of a simpler declaration that the transportation was allowed notwithstanding any such law. The rationale for the former change should be apparent. The rationale for the latter was a concern that, if the provisions that 'have the effect' of inhibiting interstate transport were declared 'null and void,' entire sections of state law might be challenged and voided as to all purposes. In this form the provisions passed the Senate, and an identical provision was inserted in the bill that passed the House."
All this says is that "transport" is okay notwithstanding locally-restrictive laws (if you comply with storage and lawful ownership issues).
https://www.hardylaw.net/FOPA.html
"In response to reports of hunters being arrested for firearms law violations while passing through a state with tight controls, FOPA's drafters inserted provisions to offer protection for such travel. S. 49 as introduced provided that any provision of state or local law 'which prohibits or has the effect of prohibiting the transportation of a firearm or ammunition in interstate commerce through such state, when such firearm is unloaded and not readily accessible, [Page 677] shall be null and void.' On the Senate floor, an amendment was accepted which changed this in two respects: (1) the protection was extended only to persons not prohibited by the Gun Control Act from transporting, shipping or receiving a firearm; and (2) the provision that an infringing law was to be null and void was dropped in favor of a simpler declaration that the transportation was allowed notwithstanding any such law. The rationale for the former change should be apparent. The rationale for the latter was a concern that, if the provisions that 'have the effect' of inhibiting interstate transport were declared 'null and void,' entire sections of state law might be challenged and voided as to all purposes. In this form the provisions passed the Senate, and an identical provision was inserted in the bill that passed the House."
All this says is that "transport" is okay notwithstanding locally-restrictive laws (if you comply with storage and lawful ownership issues).
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oh, i thought you were hinting at being leo, and therefore able to carry anywhere, which is why i was curious if you including federal property (which leo's can't). so, never mind! ( :
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