Jane's New Bike!
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dcarver
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And be forewarned, after you foolishly break your own advice, then break your new expensive GS, the largest dogpile in FJR forum history will be upon your ass.
doctorJ
Well-known member
" my first experience with BMW"
Not being an owner ever of the ultimate riding experience motorcycles (silent prayer of thanksgiving), is this experience part of the soul or personality of bay mem vay ownership ? Sorry, this just ain't right on so many levels and hate it for you and Jane.
JDP
Not being an owner ever of the ultimate riding experience motorcycles (silent prayer of thanksgiving), is this experience part of the soul or personality of bay mem vay ownership
? Sorry, this just ain't right on so many levels and hate it for you and Jane.JDP
El Toro
Innocent Bystander
I was sorry to hear of the aggravation you folks have had to go through, and I know we are all looking forward to hearing that things have been resolved.
beemerdons
Certifiable Old Fart
From BMW Airhead Master Mechanic, Tom Cutter....and AZ Beemers President Brian Boles; a close friend of SkooterG's!
This story refers to late model Airhead transmissions:
I have a theory, that is best illustrated by a little "story."
Large companies like BMW have loads of mid-level engineers who spend
all day looking for ways to move ahead in their jobs. The company keeps
telling them "save more money for us" which is synonymous with "make
more money for us." So some young hotshot takes a look at the
engineering drawing of the output shaft and says "That bearing has an
adequate press-fit on that shaft, it doesn't need any clip to retain
its position. We could save 2.75 euros per shaft if we eliminated that
machining operation, and another 0.07 Euros if we delete the circlip
from the design. What could it hurt? The bearing is sitting in a bore
in the case, it can't move, right?" All his engineering books tell him
he is right, his boss pats him on the head and says "Good job, Junior.
You saved the company a pile of cash. Here's a plastic flower for your
cubicle." Soon, Junior gets promoted to a different department, where
they design Oilhead rear drives.
Time passes, and down in the Warranty Accounting Department, Hans and
Hilde are poring over the warranty claims history. They note that the
output shaft bearing is suddenly being over-represented in the claims
numbers. Now Hans and Hilde have no clue that that bearing needs to be
retained by a now-deleted circlip. They fire off a memo to Engineering
saying "Trouble with the Output Bearing." Herr Engineering Boss walks
out into the cube farm, and dumps the memo on the desk of the new guy,
Horst, who just got out of engineering school. He says to Horst "Look
into this problem, and devise a fix. Don't spend any money." So Horst
pulls out the engineering drawings, sees that there is a circlip on the
shaft (somebody forgot to update the drawings) and sees immediately
that the large-radius bearing is hitting the circlip way out in space,
where the clip has no support. So he contacts the Output Bearing
Supplier and say s"Hey, fellas, you got a bearing with less radius?"
They reply, "We can make that for you, and since BMW buys 10,000
bearings at at a time, we will only add 0.11 Euros per bearing to the
cost." Horst shows his boss, his boss says "Here's your plastic
flower." Then the various departments get a memo about the new bearing,
which is filtered down into the Parts Distribution Department, along
with a Service Bulletin describing this wonderful cure-all bearing
design. Everybody is happy, the Warranty Claims figures drop, mostly
because BMW has abandoned the Airhead models completely, but nobody
bothers to tell Hans and Hilde that. They just figure that they took
care of the problem.
More time passes, calendar leaves float gently to the floor. The Parts
Distribution Department exhausts that supply of 10,000
special-production bearings. They call a new guy over at the bearing
supplier and say "We need 2000 more bearings to replenish our stock."
The new guys says "That is a special production item and we have to
charge you 150 Euros extra per bearing for that special production run,
because it is only 2000 pieces. Why don't you use the standard bearing,
it will take the same load, and you don't have to change any other
design elements?" So the Parts Distribution guy says to his Boss, "Hey,
I just saved us $150 Euros per bearing by using a standard part." The
Boss says "Here's your plastic flower." So now, the old part number
bearing is back in the Parts Distribution System, and the "special"
small-radius bearing is lost to history.
Meanwhile, halfway around the globe, an old BMW mechanic is looking at
this progression of part numbers, Service Bulletins and bearing
failures, scratching his head. He loses most of his hair, and says "I
should talk to somebody at BMW and see whether they know that this
situation has developed." So he starts calling people and writing
letters. Years pass, and nobody takes any action, because the old
mechanic is no longer part of the BMW "System."
Now the old mechanic makes a living, partly by rebuilding one
transmission after another that failed because nobody took the long
view, and nobody was willing to listen and act decisively.
(NOTE: I Have altered the chronology of this story a little in the
interest of Literary License, so anybody who wants to start posting
that "this change came before that part number or that Service bulletin
was in my folder "can just save the trouble. The story is intended as
humor based on a very real chain of events.)
Junior, Hans, Hilde and the others still have their plastic flowers.
This story refers to late model Airhead transmissions:
I have a theory, that is best illustrated by a little "story."
Large companies like BMW have loads of mid-level engineers who spend
all day looking for ways to move ahead in their jobs. The company keeps
telling them "save more money for us" which is synonymous with "make
more money for us." So some young hotshot takes a look at the
engineering drawing of the output shaft and says "That bearing has an
adequate press-fit on that shaft, it doesn't need any clip to retain
its position. We could save 2.75 euros per shaft if we eliminated that
machining operation, and another 0.07 Euros if we delete the circlip
from the design. What could it hurt? The bearing is sitting in a bore
in the case, it can't move, right?" All his engineering books tell him
he is right, his boss pats him on the head and says "Good job, Junior.
You saved the company a pile of cash. Here's a plastic flower for your
cubicle." Soon, Junior gets promoted to a different department, where
they design Oilhead rear drives.
Time passes, and down in the Warranty Accounting Department, Hans and
Hilde are poring over the warranty claims history. They note that the
output shaft bearing is suddenly being over-represented in the claims
numbers. Now Hans and Hilde have no clue that that bearing needs to be
retained by a now-deleted circlip. They fire off a memo to Engineering
saying "Trouble with the Output Bearing." Herr Engineering Boss walks
out into the cube farm, and dumps the memo on the desk of the new guy,
Horst, who just got out of engineering school. He says to Horst "Look
into this problem, and devise a fix. Don't spend any money." So Horst
pulls out the engineering drawings, sees that there is a circlip on the
shaft (somebody forgot to update the drawings) and sees immediately
that the large-radius bearing is hitting the circlip way out in space,
where the clip has no support. So he contacts the Output Bearing
Supplier and say s"Hey, fellas, you got a bearing with less radius?"
They reply, "We can make that for you, and since BMW buys 10,000
bearings at at a time, we will only add 0.11 Euros per bearing to the
cost." Horst shows his boss, his boss says "Here's your plastic
flower." Then the various departments get a memo about the new bearing,
which is filtered down into the Parts Distribution Department, along
with a Service Bulletin describing this wonderful cure-all bearing
design. Everybody is happy, the Warranty Claims figures drop, mostly
because BMW has abandoned the Airhead models completely, but nobody
bothers to tell Hans and Hilde that. They just figure that they took
care of the problem.
More time passes, calendar leaves float gently to the floor. The Parts
Distribution Department exhausts that supply of 10,000
special-production bearings. They call a new guy over at the bearing
supplier and say "We need 2000 more bearings to replenish our stock."
The new guys says "That is a special production item and we have to
charge you 150 Euros extra per bearing for that special production run,
because it is only 2000 pieces. Why don't you use the standard bearing,
it will take the same load, and you don't have to change any other
design elements?" So the Parts Distribution guy says to his Boss, "Hey,
I just saved us $150 Euros per bearing by using a standard part." The
Boss says "Here's your plastic flower." So now, the old part number
bearing is back in the Parts Distribution System, and the "special"
small-radius bearing is lost to history.
Meanwhile, halfway around the globe, an old BMW mechanic is looking at
this progression of part numbers, Service Bulletins and bearing
failures, scratching his head. He loses most of his hair, and says "I
should talk to somebody at BMW and see whether they know that this
situation has developed." So he starts calling people and writing
letters. Years pass, and nobody takes any action, because the old
mechanic is no longer part of the BMW "System."
Now the old mechanic makes a living, partly by rebuilding one
transmission after another that failed because nobody took the long
view, and nobody was willing to listen and act decisively.
(NOTE: I Have altered the chronology of this story a little in the
interest of Literary License, so anybody who wants to start posting
that "this change came before that part number or that Service bulletin
was in my folder "can just save the trouble. The story is intended as
humor based on a very real chain of events.)
Junior, Hans, Hilde and the others still have their plastic flowers.
charismaticmegafauna
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beemerdons
Certifiable Old Fart
https://www.airheads.org/content/view/324/98/ Here's what you are doing: Fixing the fact that the BMW Factory eliminated the circlip! I know this all too well, as this was a problem on my BMW R80RT.
charismaticmegafauna: Not sure where your friend got his info-he may have owned a pre 1984 Airhead that indeed had the groove/circlip. But the real problem was that the BMW Factory completely eliminated the circlip, as well as the groove itself, between 1984 and sometime in mid-1993. You have to machine a groove into the mainshaft for the circlip on those years!!
Once you cut a new groove, a wire ring may be fitted between bearing and circlip; but with careful machining it's not needed.
charismaticmegafauna: Not sure where your friend got his info-he may have owned a pre 1984 Airhead that indeed had the groove/circlip. But the real problem was that the BMW Factory completely eliminated the circlip, as well as the groove itself, between 1984 and sometime in mid-1993. You have to machine a groove into the mainshaft for the circlip on those years!!
Once you cut a new groove, a wire ring may be fitted between bearing and circlip; but with careful machining it's not needed.
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zenwhipper
Well-known member
Very cool bike! However, she needs a good set of boots to protect the ankles! Looking a bit squidly.
ZW
madmike2
Shtirrenuppenmeister
The "tennies" are for when the bike quits running and she has to push it.....or is forced to go insane because of the problems and she wants to run down the median or into traffic, just to end the mental anguish.Very cool bike! However, she needs a good set of boots to protect the ankles! Looking a bit squidly.
ZW
pinhead
Well-known member
Oh, Jane's got fancy new mc boots. Go ahead, just ask Scooter what brand THEY are. :butcher:The "tennies" are for when the bike quits running and she has to push it.....or is forced to go insane because of the problems and she wants to run down the median or into traffic, just to end the mental anguish.Very cool bike! However, she needs a good set of boots to protect the ankles! Looking a bit squidly.
ZW
Scab
I got nothin' here...
You know, I had some footwear like that...
in 1974! :lol:
in 1974! :lol:
Bull
Well-known member
I agree with WC - and what better excuse do you need to go buy that pretty girl some big ass combat touring boots from aerostich.
Trust me - I recently convinved Mrs Bull to climb into a pair of these big old bad boys - and man do they ever look
Fantastic write up Skoot - congrats Jane!!!!! enjoy your new scoot.
madmike2
Shtirrenuppenmeister
Bull, you need to read all the posts before you reply. Notice the dates of the posts? (WC's is on Sept. 2nd; Pinhead's is on Oct. 2nd) I know Jane has new riding boots because I saw them on TWN's memorial ride. I'm thinkin' she just "had to ride" her new toy before the ordered riding boots arrived and Greg snapped the picture.
Fairlaner
The Bartender Whisperer
Any news Greg?
R
R
beemerdons
Certifiable Old Fart
Richard, Greg and the GS are both back in Scottsdale safe and sound. I was on standby duty with my Ford pickup and motorcycle ramp during the course of the day. He was calling me from waypoints such as Banning, Blythe and Tonopah.
He put on 435 miles today and no evidence of a stalling issue. Hopefully, this new BMW fuel pump controller is the final fix!!!
He put on 435 miles today and no evidence of a stalling issue. Hopefully, this new BMW fuel pump controller is the final fix!!!
madmike2
Shtirrenuppenmeister
:clapping: I love a happy ending! :clapping:
Er..uhm...if this IS the ending.... :blink:
Er..uhm...if this IS the ending.... :blink:
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beemerdons
Certifiable Old Fart
Mike, you and me both! Since Skoot's has been calling me everyday, crying and moaning like a 12-year old Drama Queen.
Bull
Well-known member
charismaticmegafauna
Well-known member
Yamaha FJR ownership/riding can be so....ahh, ...'un-interesting'....(comparitively).
Fairlaner
The Bartender Whisperer
Glad to hear everything is fixed.....
Maybe now they will commit to coming to Laughlin.
R
Maybe now they will commit to coming to Laughlin.
R
