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Damn it all, Don. This sucks.

:angry:

But you KNOW why this happened, right?

Hmm??

It's pretty simple, really.

It's because that engine was frustrated and got sick and tired of being passed by little old ladies in Buicks since you're so damn slow. Hell - even Bust could keep up with you and he's running a car tire!

:lol:

 
Yep, that was a long couple of days leading up to real disappointment. Needless to say, I've been grinding on everything we experienced in the process - I suppose that if there's an upside to this, it's the amount of stuff that we learned. If you ever want to tackle a long project, dCarver is the guy to do it with. Fairlaner's help was huge, but he left Tea and Crumpets at home. Bastid.

One big thing is you need a third hand at several points. And a few hemostats.

KrZy8 did us all a favor back in 07, (was it 08?) by removing a forest rat. The bike was rebuilt using non-California plastic - meaning that the plastic did not have the fitments necessary to support that wonderful charcoal cannister.

The shop rebuilding the bike had to deal with the evap control lines. And this is key to the compression readings we had.

In the CA specification throttle body assemblies, there are two line nipples under throttle bodies #1 and #4. The design intent is to evacuate gasoline fumes from the charcoal cannister so they don't escape into the atmosphere. When the bike is runnning, vacuum from the TBA sucks the fumes out of the cannister. In 49 state bikes the TBA does not have these nipples.

The evac lines were left in place, and the line that used to drop down to the cannister was routed down and out, like a vent line. Problem is, it was sucking in unfiltered air into the throat of #1 and #4 TB. All the time.

There is a evac line that attached to a nipple on the bottom of the airbox. This was also designed to evac gas fumes from the cannister. This line was routed down behind the swingarm in front of the rear tire, just as are the tank vent lines. Problem is, it too was inhaling unfiltered air.

The Honderosa is a fantastic place. And as with many fantastic places access is not the easiest. It seems that it's at the end of 3 miles of dirt road.

Figure about 100K miles of trips, each beginning and ending with 3 miles of dirt road. (dCarver, correct me if I'm wrong - not sure of the distance.)

Ergo the compression readings:

#1 - 40 psi (cracked head)

#2 - 150 psi

#3 - 150 psi

#4 - 70-90 psi

So - not only is the head cracked, but it would seem that there's been a wee bit of wear in the jugs and a strong likelyhood of bottom end wear.

A different head at this point doesn't make sense. A different engine? Yes, that makes sense. Bought at the right price it could resurrect the girl. Hmmm..... a weekend engine swap at the Honderosa? That would be fun. Just have to make sure that Fairlaner brings Tea and Crumpets. ;)

 
If it wasn't such a distance I would gladly donate my shop and tools to do the swap. I have a spare motor but it's an 04 and it also ran a long time on unfiltered air so an overhaul is in order.

 
Ergo the compression readings:

#1 - 40 psi (cracked head)

#2 - 150 psi

#3 - 150 psi

#4 - 70-90 psi

So - not only is the head cracked, but it would seem that there's been a wee bit of wear in the jugs and a strong likelyhood of bottom end wear.

A different head at this point doesn't make sense. A different engine? Yes, that makes sense. Bought at the right price it could resurrect the girl. Hmmm..... a weekend engine swap at the Honderosa? That would be fun. Just have to make sure that Fairlaner brings Tea and Crumpets. ;)

Ack! There goes all my optimism. :glare: But thanks for the explanation.

Geeze though, that thing must have run like a dog with all these vacuum leaks. The one in the air box probably wouldn't have mattered so much (except for the obvious dirty air being sucked in), but two big vacuum leaks into the throttle bodies themselves? Yikes!! :huh:

 
Salvage Yard time!

There has to be some good engines out there.

I know the 06 I totaled was running real sweet at 72,000. Just had the valves done, new plugs and TBS before I crashed.

If you can find an 06 FJR with serial # RP15E 0000812 in a salvage yard I know that's a good motor.

Insurance Company totaled the bike on based on cost of replacing the plastic not mechanical damage.

 
Geeze though, that thing must have run like a dog with all these vacuum leaks. The one in the air box probably wouldn't have mattered so much (except for the obvious dirty air being sucked in), but two big vacuum leaks into the throttle bodies themselves? Yikes!! :huh:
It makes me wonder how one would have ever made a TBS work with leaks on #1 & #4. Does having these lines between the charcoal filter and the throttle body on the Kali bikes change the method for performing a TBS?

 
There is a evac line that attached to a nipple on the bottom of the airbox. This was also designed to evac gas fumes from the cannister. This line was routed down behind the swingarm in front of the rear tire, just as are the tank vent lines. Problem is, it too was inhaling unfiltered air.
This hose (if it's the one I'm thinking of) has a filter can about halfway down, kind of like a baby fuel filter. It's supposed to, anyway. And it does vent to atmosphere. I'm not sure its only real purpose isn't to be a water drain for the airbox.

 
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Well ****.

That's all I can think to add. Let us know what you decide Don. Replace motor or just let it go? I know where there's a frigging sweet Honda Blackbird for sale. : :) :

 
Very Sorry to hear about this...Dog On Deer Strike.
Ya, can we blame this on metal stress caused by the forks being driven back into the block by that damn deer? I can't think of any other reason that a mild weather FJR could *possibly* have this kind of failure without being run without coolant.
No, the forks survived, as did the radiator. Head stay not bent, just alot of plastic.

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No way did little Kali Bambi damage the head.

Is it worth replacing the whole engine with a low-mileage one for $1000 (+shipping)? (eBay link I posted, above) I have no idea whether this amount is out of line or not.If the engine could be checked out before committment, the bike should be good for another 150,000 mi.
For me, yes it is, Ross. And I have to say Thank You, personally, for being so supportive.

DonReally sorry to hear that KrZy8 has met the end of the line. You don't think it is worth a transplant? Somehow, I don't think you will be very happy with the HD after years on the Feejer. Just imagine what the NERDs trip would have been like!So, what's next?Ross Edit: Its great what Kaitsdad and Fairlaner did to help you out! This really is a great community!
Yes! Tell you what, them two are outstanding peeps!

Kind of fun to hear Hal say for the umpteenth time "I can't see through your hand!"

I hate it for ya Don, we're not givin up on ya yet though. Be stayin tuned for a 'KrZy9' next......
Doode, get your *** back home on USA soil safe and alive and I'll not give a **** about a motobike k'?

(Serving in our military and at risk, for you that don't know)

If it wasn't such a distance I would gladly donate my shop and tools to do the swap. I have a spare motor but it's an 04 and it also ran a long time on unfiltered air so an overhaul is in order.
I *know* you would Ray. You are class peeps.

Salvage Yard time!There has to be some good engines out there.I know the 06 I totaled was running real sweet at 72,000. Just had the valves done, new plugs and TBS before I crashed.If you can find an 06 FJR with serial # RP15E 0000812 in a salvage yard I know that's a good motor.Insurance Company totaled the bike on based on cost of replacing the plastic not mechanical damage.
IIRC, Carl, that's a great idea. Maybe we should start an underground 'known good bike parts undeground site'.. Seriously, it might work. Websites are easy-peasy to set up...

Geeze though, that thing must have run like a dog with all these vacuum leaks. The one in the air box probably wouldn't have mattered so much (except for the obvious dirty air being sucked in), but two big vacuum leaks into the throttle bodies themselves? Yikes!! :huh:
It makes me wonder how one would have ever made a TBS work with leaks on #1 & #4. Does having these lines between the charcoal filter and the throttle body on the Kali bikes change the method for performing a TBS?
I don't know the answer to the question(s) but will say the bike ran great all the way to 3 days prior to lack of idling. For example, running to NERDS (East coast) she returned 38-44 mpg, and at several unfiltered moments in time we were at easy +120.

 
Geeze though, that thing must have run like a dog with all these vacuum leaks. The one in the air box probably wouldn't have mattered so much (except for the obvious dirty air being sucked in), but two big vacuum leaks into the throttle bodies themselves? Yikes!! :huh:
It makes me wonder how one would have ever made a TBS work with leaks on #1 & #4. Does having these lines between the charcoal filter and the throttle body on the Kali bikes change the method for performing a TBS?

These weren't vacuum leaks. The nipples are all on the outside/upside? of the throttle bodies- before the butterfly valves. All the throttle bodies see is incoming air.

Just that some of it has dirt. And sand. And bug parts, and rain, and ..... you get the idea.

 
Enjoyed seeing all the pics. I've been following your dilemma on and off for some time now. I was really hoping for a happy ending for the motor, but from what you've been saying, it looks like it's not to be. I'll tell ya what - I know the jury is still out on just what you're going to do now, but one thing's for sure, nobody's gonna be happier than you will be once that bike is up and running again.

Gary

darksider #44

 
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