KrZy8 down n out?

[dcarver]

Been thinking this through, 2 main issues.

1. Water into cyl 1

2. Low comp cyl 4

Possible options for water intrusion -

1. Called local auto/bike machine shop,know the owner, magnafluxing only works on ferrous materials. They can test using another method, but is expensive, and only do it for an 'ongoing shop project'. Another possibility is to machine a plate, plug all the holes, pressurize with air and dunk into tank, look for bubbles. Long of short, price tag starts at 100 and *will* go up. So no, scratch this option.

2. Use FjRay's high mileage 04 head as a test mule. Install with existing head gasket and bolts, check for leaks. If none, do repairs. Hmmm. A quick fisch look indicates the same part number for 04 and 07, but wait, the 04 part number had an older number too. The new number must reflect the change in exhaust guide seals. Not knowing what part number Ray's head is (have to assume the older number), I sure don't want to have the first gen2 ticker. That plus the head would have to be refurbished, on top of paying Ray and shipping, well, no, not a good option.

When all else fails, get the napkin out and do some figguren'

Ebay currently has a 5k 08 engine for 1250 delivered to the door.

By rough numbers, it would cost 650 - 800 to repair the existing engine.

No brainer.

I found Ionbeam's wonderful post about what to ask, what to look out for, when purchasing a used engine - <clicky>

Looks like I'll be calling this guy tomorrow.

 

[FastJoyRide]

Good luck Don with sourcing a great used motor for the next 150,000 miles.

 

[Surly]

Good luck Don with sourcing a great used motor for the next 150,000 miles.

This sounds like the answer. You already own the bike, $1000 - $1500 seems good for a return of 150,000 of fun. There must be a way you will lets us help.

Best regards

Surly

h34r:

 

[Panman]

Been pulling for ya Don but I guess it wasn't to be. And a thanks to Hal and Richard for the work they put into this. If you do the engine swap do a good job documenting it for the rest of us. We like the pictures it makes us all better and I have learned a lot from the comunity!

 

[Geezer]

Sorry to see that the engine is too far gone to repair. It sure would have been nice to figure out where the leak is and maybe understand what caused it, but I doubt we'll ever know for sure. Any chance it is the block rather than the head?

I has similar symptoms on the 350 in my '94 Chevy pickup a few years ago. I thought it was a head gasket but a spare engine was available so I just swapped that in. I did pull the heads off of the old one but the gaskets were sealing well and I did not find the cause of the coolant leaking into the cylinder.

 

[wfooshee]

Ah, damn it. Get a package of Alumaseal and be done with it!

I really wish there was a magic compound you could just dump in there and fix. it. I had a car head crack at the exhaust port, and it would spray onto the back of the exhaust valve. If the valve happened to stop open when I shut down, it would dribble into the cylinder and give me a good puff of steam out the exhaust when it started.

Pulled the head, pressure tested, they found the crack, guy said, "Sure thang, ah kin weld that, no problem!" So I let him.

It held water pressure for four months before I started getting steam puffs on startup again. I ran some kind of sealer in it and traded it in while it was holding pressure.

Cracked metal sucks!

 

[doug5551]

Great to hear!!

I look forward to following along. Glad you are not down for the count :yahoo:

 

[Fairlaner]

Doug what are you smoking tonight?

R

 

[yamafitter]

I am glad to see that you are going to rehab KrZy8 but was wondering if this is going to put the KZ1300 resurrection on the back burner for now. One can have only so many projects on the go at any one time.

 

[beemerdons]

Doug what are you smoking tonight?

R

Doug, I think we were toking Michoacan Mauler!

Order up a replacement engine Don, get going!!!

 

[wheatonFJR]

FOOK.

Sorry to hear...was REALLY hoping it has the HG!

 

[dcarver]

Sorry to see that the engine is too far gone to repair. It sure would have been nice to figure out where the leak is and maybe understand what caused it, but I doubt we'll ever know for sure. Any chance it is the block rather than the head?

Once I have time I'll find out where the failure occurred just to scratch the curiosity itch. I have my hunches it's around the exhaust valve #1 to water passageway.

I am glad to see that you are going to rehab KrZy8 but was wondering if this is going to put the KZ1300 resurrection on the back burner for now. One can have only so many projects on the go at any one time.

Yeah. The yz426 dualsport kit is off the table now. The KZ, I'll continue to source parts I know I need and that are hard to find. I can still make progress, just at a slower rate.

The hard hit with KrZy8 is strictly money, not so much time. I'm pretty sure between 3 of us working on it we can have engine in frame and running over a weekend.

 

[dcarver]

CA DMV requirements for swapping engines

Motorcycle Engine or Frame Change Requirements

When an engine or frame is replaced, other than an engine case replacement on a motorcycle, the following is required:

The Certificate of Title or Application for Duplicate Title (REG 227).

A bill of sale or the invoice for the frame or engine (or engine case for a motorcycle). If not available, a bond may be required.

Refer to Chapter 23, Bonds and Certificates, for bond requirements.

Verification of the (new) engine number and the VIN. Use the following forms:

Application for Title or Registration/Verification of Vehicle (REG 343), OR

Verification of Vehicle (REG 31), OR

Application for Assigned Vehicle Identification Number (REG 124), if the application was referred to the CHP for verification.

NOTE: If the frame or engine does not have an identifying serial/VIN number, the vehicle will be referred to CHP for assignment of the number.

Enter the new engine or frame number on the title just above or below the old number.

Submit the engine change fee (CVC §9257) and any other fees due.

A penalty is due on changes reported more than 20 days from date of the change (CVC §§9553 and 9559).

There is no fee for:

replacing a frame, or

for changing to a serial number or assigned VIN when the vehicle was previously only registered by engine number.

A duplicate title fee is due if an Application for Duplicate Title (REG 227) has been submitted.

 

[yamafitter]

CA DMV requirements for swapping engines

Motorcycle Engine or Frame Change Requirements

When an engine or frame is replaced, other than an engine case replacement on a motorcycle, the following is required:

The Certificate of Title or Application for Duplicate Title (REG 227).

A bill of sale or the invoice for the frame or engine (or engine case for a motorcycle). If not available, a bond may be required.

Refer to Chapter 23, Bonds and Certificates, for bond requirements.

Verification of the (new) engine number and the VIN. Use the following forms:

Application for Title or Registration/Verification of Vehicle (REG 343), OR

Verification of Vehicle (REG 31), OR

Application for Assigned Vehicle Identification Number (REG 124), if the application was referred to the CHP for verification.

NOTE: If the frame or engine does not have an identifying serial/VIN number, the vehicle will be referred to CHP for assignment of the number.

Enter the new engine or frame number on the title just above or below the old number.

Submit the engine change fee (CVC §9257) and any other fees due.

A penalty is due on changes reported more than 20 days from date of the change (CVC §§9553 and 9559).

There is no fee for:

replacing a frame, or

for changing to a serial number or assigned VIN when the vehicle was previously only registered by engine number.

A duplicate title fee is due if an Application for Duplicate Title (REG 227) has been submitted.

WOW, is Kali bureaucracy ever screwed up.

 

[garyahouse]

The plot thickens...

Gary

darksider #44

 

[FJRay]

Back in the 70s I put two 650 Yamaha twins together and had all the documentation. The first time around they used title #1 and called it an engine change and I paid the fees and assumed I was good. Wrong, the second time around we went with title #2 and it was called an frame change and I paid more fees only to find out there was a third strike. It finally ended up as special construction and a third set of fees. I was told to send a letter to Sac. in triplicate requesting a fee refund and I would get my money back. Never happened. The mechanics are far esier than the politics.

 

[03silverbullet]

CA DMV requirements for swapping engines

Motorcycle Engine or Frame Change Requirements

When an engine or frame is replaced, other than an engine case replacement on a motorcycle, the following is required:

The Certificate of Title or Application for Duplicate Title (REG 227).

A bill of sale or the invoice for the frame or engine (or engine case for a motorcycle). If not available, a bond may be required.

Refer to Chapter 23, Bonds and Certificates, for bond requirements.

Verification of the (new) engine number and the VIN. Use the following forms:

Application for Title or Registration/Verification of Vehicle (REG 343), OR

Verification of Vehicle (REG 31), OR

Application for Assigned Vehicle Identification Number (REG 124), if the application was referred to the CHP for verification.

NOTE: If the frame or engine does not have an identifying serial/VIN number, the vehicle will be referred to CHP for assignment of the number.

Enter the new engine or frame number on the title just above or below the old number.

Submit the engine change fee (CVC §9257) and any other fees due.

A penalty is due on changes reported more than 20 days from date of the change (CVC §§9553 and 9559).

There is no fee for:

replacing a frame, or

for changing to a serial number or assigned VIN when the vehicle was previously only registered by engine number.

A duplicate title fee is due if an Application for Duplicate Title (REG 227) has been submitted.

I never did any of that when I replaced my motor.

Just replace it - who's going to know any thing different?

 

[wheatonFJR]

In Illinois it's easy....all you gotta do is know a guy who knows a guy...if you knows what I mean.

 

[beemerdons]

In Illinois it's easy....all you gotta do is know a guy who knows a guy...if you knows what I mean.

Definitely not easy here in Maricopa County, AZ. Whenever registration renewal comes up they examine all of the serial numbers of the bike and they had better match the registration papers. I'd really be surprised if it is not the same deal in California, but dcarver lives up in San Luis Obispo County and may be smog check exempt.

 

[dcarver]

Well then, done deal.

Trigger pulled.

CC wounded.

2008 5k miles.

Found on FleaBay

Answering IonBeams great questions -

Dealer name - JWS Cycle

Person name - Joe

Phone - 908-812-3290

Donor VIN - JYARP15E28A005389

Copy of title avail - Yes, will email color scanned and all other paper he has too

Engine sold as is seen in pix? E.g. no other parts removed? - YES

Direct seller, not broker? YES

Engine run by Joe after crash, before disassembly - YES

Tranny checked that all 5 gears are engageable? - YES

Engine stored inside or outside since disassembly - INSIDE

How long since removed from frame - 8 MONTHS

How does Joe know only 5k miles? - Read on cluster

Any proof? NO.

How shipped? UPS Freight 6 - 7 days after crated, 1-2 days to crate. Crate is 7/16" OSB and 2x4, strapped down. UPS truck is trailer, no outside weather exposure.

Other Info?

Joe bought this bike from original owner, personally. In New York, deer, swerve to miss deer (did) ended up in ditch. Pretty much all plastic upfront destroyed but forks, wheels, radiator, frame all OK. Gas tank and cosmetic front damage sufficient to part out.

Guarantee? - Engine will run. Suggests nice easy initial running, let oil seals, cases take new oil up. After that, guarantee is over.

Total price delivered to Hondarosa? $1185.

My plan upon receipt is to very carefully inspect

1. bores for rust, water, etc,
   
2. Check for all 5 gears selectable
   
3. Add oil
   
4. Perform comp test
   
5. Perform leakdown test
   
6. If good, remove from crate and install