Neil San Diego
One of "...those guys..."
Wait about thirty or fourty years, and they will be when she lies on her back...
Thank Gawd they're not horizontally opposed!
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Wait about thirty or fourty years, and they will be when she lies on her back...
Thank Gawd they're not horizontally opposed!
Neil, 7 nights of sex 7 times each night with Senorita Salma would kill off Papa Chuy and RadioHowie on the last day anyway: We don't give a fat rat's patooie about 35 years down the road Amigo!Wait about thirty or fourty years, and they will be when she lies on her back...
Thank Gawd they're not horizontally opposed!
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Wow--I always thought it was the other way around! Thanks for clarifying that. So, stopping and starting constantly, turning the motor on and off over and over all day, getting on and off constantly is BETTER for a bike than cruising down the highway for hours. Who knew! Next time I'm car shopping, I'll keep my eye out for a retired cop car, and if I ever need a truck I'll find a retired UPS rig that ran the city route. Then I'll know I've got something with minimal wear and tear. I learn so much on here!!!I am. And I still say the boy don't get out much. Parking by the side of the road and doing traffic work isn't covering miles. That's like bragging about your commuting miles. :dribble: Riding the same roads back and forth on a daily basis is not the same as going places with sustained time on the bike.Eric, are you unaware our HotRodZilla was a Law Enforcement Motorcycle Patrol Officer in New Mexico for a number of years? It's safe to say that HRZ has accumulated as many miles as you!Sorry Zilla, you just don't ride much. If you did,...
You tell 'em Spud. What is it with old guys anyway?Wow--I always thought it was the other way around! Thanks for clarifying that. So, stopping and starting constantly, turning the motor on and off over and over all day, getting on and off constantly is BETTER for a bike than cruising down the highway for hours. Who knew! Next time I'm car shopping, I'll keep my eye out for a retired cop car, and if I ever need a truck I'll find a retired UPS rig that ran the city route. Then I'll know I've got something with minimal wear and tear. I learn so much on here!!!I am. And I still say the boy don't get out much. Parking by the side of the road and doing traffic work isn't covering miles. That's like bragging about your commuting miles. :dribble: Riding the same roads back and forth on a daily basis is not the same as going places with sustained time on the bike.Eric, are you unaware our HotRodZilla was a Law Enforcement Motorcycle Patrol Officer in New Mexico for a number of years? It's safe to say that HRZ has accumulated as many miles as you!Sorry Zilla, you just don't ride much. If you did,...
You tell 'em Spud, it's rough when you're never more than 40 miles from the shop. I mean jeeze, you might have to wait for the tow! Having your motor maintained for you all the time, never buying your own tires. It's risky! :lol:Wow--I always thought it was the other way around! Thanks for clarifying that. So, stopping and starting constantly, turning the motor on and off over and over all day, getting on and off constantly is BETTER for a bike than cruising down the highway for hours. Who knew! Next time I'm car shopping, I'll keep my eye out for a retired cop car, and if I ever need a truck I'll find a retired UPS rig that ran the city route. Then I'll know I've got something with minimal wear and tear. I learn so much on here!!!
Mi bastard step-pappy is a fucking moron.HotRodZilla brings up an interesting point, I'm a 20 year member of BMW MOA Club #89 AZ Beemers. We have over 250 members and not a one has suffered a final drive failure, we're aware of them from reading "BMW Owners News", but no AZB has ever had one and like me they average about 25K miles a year on their Beemers!FWIW, I ride with lots of guys that ride BMW's. Know how many final drive failures I've seen? None. Not one. My brothers has been stone reliable and very easy to maintain. It's also tough as Hell. The longer I hear the bitching about BMW FD issues, the more I think they are more related to improper maintenance than an improper build.
I also happen to be Friends with Mr. Ken Meese that Greg and Eric mentioned, we're Beemer Buddies through our affiliations with BMW MOA and BMW K1600 Forum.
In our last communication, here is what Ken wrote to me: "Yes, the final drive seal is leaking but no, the final drive hasn't failed. The seal is being replaced at my local dealer, whom I trust. It is the first seal leak that BMW has seen anywhere, so they're taking their time to investigate it and to do it right. I can respect that." Seal failure!
Well Max, my letter is certainly and absolutely not a scathing rant; it was just a statement of fact. A fact I've mentioned here on our Forum and in person to my fellow AZ Beemers for the last three years now: I AM NOT buying another new shaft drive bike from BMW until the BMW Factory gets to the bottom of these ongoing final drive failures. My friend Marty sent me a letter regarding my views and my response to him is printed below. I'm looking to add a BMW R90S to my current bike collection and I am ordering a new Ducati Multistrada 1200 white Touring model for my 62nd Birthday; but there will be no more new shaftie BMW's for me!
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Hey Don:
I just saw your letter in the BMW ON Magazine with your dissatisfaction with BMW's handling of the FD and you stated that you will never buy another BMW again.
We corresponded via other forums and and introduction when I joined this forum, I believe it was the BMWLT Forum when I first heard of you.
So have you been having issues with your final drive and did Scottsdale BMW handle your issues satisfactory.
I was at Scottsdale BMW during the open house they had to celebrate their new location. I was talking to a riding buddy of yours, at least that's what he called you. Greg Marbach was the sales specialist I was talking too and at that time he told me not to worry about the FD failures that they happen only a fraction of the time. He actually mentioned you and that you drive all the way to Scottsdale to due business their vs where you live in Chandler.
So any how, here are my questions.
I had talked the the BMW Mechanic and he said that he only saw 1 FD failure in the last 3 years, was that your bike he was talking about. Is that even the truth or is the FD a bigger problem then that.
What made your decision to not to buy anymore BMW's. Does this also mean you are giving up on BMW's totally ?
Thanks
Marty Galison
Hello Marty,
https://www.azbeemers.org/forum/index.php?topic=2426.0 I'm still very active with MOA Chartered Club #89 and I lead Mexico, Alaska, Canada and Alps / Pyrenees European Rides.
I just will not buy anymore BMW shaft drive models until BMW steps forward and demonstrates that they have corrected the final drive failure problems. I will continue to buy their belt and chain drive models. Just got tickets to win the new BMW S1000R and I'd love to own one!!!
Mi "Mexico Mule" 1996 BMW R1100GS final drive failed at 45,000 miles; 200 miles south of the border in Hermosillo, Mexico. I got it back to my purchasing dealer, Dirt and Street BMW on 7th Street in Phoenix and they did the repairs. Bike has 125,000 miles on it now and the final drive repair is still intact. Crown bearing failure.
"Ingrid" my 2005 BMW R1150RT with 39,000 miles on her is also suffering a crown bearing failure. Dave's Quality Service in Mesa will be rebuilding her final drive soon.
Greg "SkooterG" Marbach is one of my very best buddies!
The BMW final drive failure rate since 1994 is around 5%.
This is from what I and other AZB, MOA and RA Members have been able to determine. If you Google "BMW Final Drive Failures" a link recording participants will show up.
Marty, if you want to hear more about BMW FD's and have a great time with other BMW Owner / Riders: Please come to our AZ Beemers MOA #89 29th RoadRunner Rally.
All the Rally details are on page 142 of April Owners News.
I'm a big fan of Scottsdale BMW / Ducati. I'll be ordering my new white Ducati Multistrada 1200 Touring Model from them for my 62nd Birthday on October 28!
In closing, I will never give up my BMW MOA and BMW Riders Association Memberships; my RA # is 21856.
Besides attending all AZ Beemers functions, I will still be at as many MOA and RA events as I possibly can. My 13 year old son Seth and I will be at the MOA International Rally in Redmond, Oregon this July. We will be staying on site with www.sherpamayberry.com Come visit us!!!
Fraternally yours,
Don Stanley
Chandler, AZ
C: 480-440-4666
[email protected]
I agree with everything you said except for that above. A leaking seal on an FJR's FD is not the same at the catastrophic failures that happen to BMW's FD. I have had weeping seals replaced twice. No drama. One had been weeping for 60,000 miles or so before I decided to do something about it. I have only ever heard of a *single* occurrence where the FJR's FD leaked so quickly it had to be towed. And the repair was simply a new seal. Not FD replacement. Sure, there have probably been a few more that don't make it to the internet. However, most are just a leaking or weeping seal. No biggie. Get it fixed at your convenience.FWIW, a friend of mine who has a recently acquired low mileage '03 FJR has a leaking final drive seal, so it can happen to anyone. No one is out there torching it, or taking pictures of the bike on a trailer, etc. In fact, I'm pretty sure that no one cares. He is in the process of sorting it out.
I disagree. :finger:I'm not saying, nor have I ever said that BMW's haven't had some final drive issues. I'm sayimg that just like heat, throttle stiffness, vibration, and other topics found on this board, the failures are overstated.
That's all...
Hello? Bueller?Yamaha does not precipitate the irrational hatred that BMW seems to precipitate from so many people.
And you know this how?? From your massive experience with BMW, or like so many others, I'll bet you have a fiend, who has a friend, who knows a guy...Speaking of spewing diarrhea. At least today we're not bashing Harleys. Yet.Hello? Bueller?Yamaha does not precipitate the irrational hatred that BMW seems to precipitate from so many people.
It's not irrational. It's from a deserved reputation of building expensive but subpar motorcycles when it comes to reliability.
My bet is that most of the peeps that *hate* BMWs would actually love to own one if they weren't afraid of the maintenance costs and reliability issues.
They do build some compelling designs. Especially more recently when have traded 'quirky' for 'technologically leading'.
Riiiight. Speaking of diarrhea...Speaking of spewing diarrhea. At least today we're not bashing Harleys. Yet.
Oh, and BTW...You know that now, I'm arguing just to argue right? I don't really care one way or another. But fucking with you dorks is a good break from my day. :****:
And you know this how?? From your massive experience with BMW, or like so many others, I'll bet you have a fiend, who has a friend, who knows a guy...Hello? Bueller?Yamaha does not precipitate the irrational hatred that BMW seems to precipitate from so many people.
It's not irrational. It's from a deserved reputation of building expensive but subpar motorcycles when it comes to reliability.
My bet is that most of the peeps that *hate* BMWs would actually love to own one if they weren't afraid of the maintenance costs and reliability issues.
They do build some compelling designs. Especially more recently when have traded 'quirky' for 'technologically leading'.
:finger:However, not only I have heard of LOTS of catastrophic BMW FD failures where the bike had to be towed as in *right now, your trip is fubar'd, and guess what? You need an entire new FD*, but I have PERSONALLY seen MANY of them first hand.
Does if you ask nicely and the bird lands, Hoo would give a fork?The Yamaha logo was originally a mythical bird who would bring good fortune who was also carrying a tuning fork in its mouth. I think the bird was called a Hoo, and may have been of Chinese origin.
Worse yet was when his Spirit Guide appeared before him during a rally and, instead of accepting and embracing it, he ran into it.And I have no idea why my moronic step-pappy is quoting Meese - that bastard has had SEVERAL final drive failures. Many of them keeping him from finishing or even winning a rally.
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