Colt Vs Glock

[FJRay]

Okay, as a self-admitted firearms ignoramus, I gotta ask the experts here, WHY is there a discussion about Colt vs Glock?

The consensus appears to favor the M1911...is it the classic design? The fact that it's "The First"? Is it truly a better handgun? Is it more accurate? More trouble-free? What's the dealio?

I actually want to know what the big deal is.

Again, without being a handgun aficionado, I don't really know why pick one over the other. But admittedly, from purely an appearance P.O.V., the M1911 is a MUCH better looking weapon. AND, it would be ideal for driving tent stakes, clubbing weasels, smashing out car windows, pistol-whipping children, etc.

It's kinda like GenI or GenII or FJR vs BMW . It's what ever floats yuor boat. Either one is a quality weapon and will do the job. I think the Colt has a larger following and has better aftemarket support. With the colt you can farkle the **** out of it but the Glock not as much. With the steel frame the Colt makes a better club than the composit Glock .

I'm not sure which one is better for seducing manatee's but you could let us know and Bust can check it out on sheep.

I think the big deal here is that this thread has made it this far without gettin off the rails.

 

[airboss]

Okay, as a self-admitted firearms ignoramus, I gotta ask the experts here, WHY is there a discussion about Colt vs Glock?

The consensus appears to favor the M1911...is it the classic design? The fact that it's "The First"? Is it truly a better handgun? Is it more accurate? More trouble-free? What's the dealio?

I actually want to know what the big deal is.

Again, without being a handgun aficionado, I don't really know why pick one over the other. But admittedly, from purely an appearance P.O.V., the M1911 is a MUCH better looking weapon. AND, it would be ideal for driving tent stakes, clubbing weasels, smashing out car windows, pistol-whipping children, etc.

Exactly Howie, and after all that you could still shoot it.

Hand guns are like motorcycle seats. Seats ya go with what fits your butt. Hand guns ya go with what fits your hand.

 

[Spud]

The 1911's are really nice to shoot, but for me the best feeling gun is the Beretta 96 (.40sw, or the 92 is the 9mm version). The large trigger guard is nice for shooting with gloves in winter. I will admit though I can't hit a damn thing with mine. Great looking gun too, I spot them in TV shows and movies all the time.

For shooting fun and accuracy, I really love my Ruger I just bought a few months ago, .41 mag. Kicks pretty good (feels a lot like a .44) but that 7 1/2" barrel and 5 pound weight makes it easy to line up. Downside? $27.00 for a box of 20 shells....

 

[FJRay]

The 1911's are really nice to shoot, but for me the best feeling gun is the Beretta 96 (.40sw, or the 92 is the 9mm version). The large trigger guard is nice for shooting with gloves in winter. I will admit though I can't hit a damn thing with that gun. Great looking gun too, I spot them in TV shows and movies all the time.

For shooting fun and accuracy, I really love my Ruger I just bought a few months ago, .41 mag. Kicks pretty good (feels a lot like a .44) but that 7 1/2" barrel and 5 pound weight makes it easy to line up. Downside? $27.00 for a box of 20 shells....

The .41 is a good caliber. To bad it never was popular. there isn't much room between ,357 and .429( 44 Mag).

For not much of an investment you can load your own and greatly reduce the cost and it's something to do while it's snowing.

 

[Spud]

The .41 is a good caliber. To bad it never was popular. there isn't much room between ,357 and .429( 44 Mag).

For not much of an investment you can load your own and greatly reduce the cost and it's something to do while it's snowing.

I'm going to be reloading it this winter--my brother in law is a major shooter and gave me the list of stuff I need to buy to use his setup. Revolver casings are pretty easy to find after shooting too, compared to semi-autos..

As you say, it was never a popular round, but the thing has some energy! There are rumors that Dirty Harry actually carried a .41mag in the first movie, not a .44

 

[Bounce]

A lot of the time it comes down to a very few issues.

1. Do you subscribe to larger diameter, crush cavities in a slower moving round vs a higher speed, smaller caliber with more importance placed on temporary shock cavity effect?

2. Does a double-stack grip fit your hand better than a single-stacked one? This may have nothing to do with hand size.

3. Do you prefer a long, swinging, pivoting trigger stroke or a shorter, straight back trigger stroke?

That pretty much encapsulates the core issues of 9mm v .45 ACP, single-action v double action trigger, and grip design. There are other issues such as more available ammo (in a single magazine) leading to spray-and-pray over bullet placement, craftsmanship vs utilitarianism, etc. but those are all spin offs and are also contended debate points for all manner of firearms.

 

[FJRay]

Very good points Bounce.

Another advantage to the 1911 is the ability to convert it to 22lr. I have the Ciener conversion for mine. For 200.00 it gives you a second gun while staying with the ergos of the 1911. A brick of 22's and my bullet trap makes for good entertianment in shity weather. I don't know if that can be done with the Glock or others.

 

[lonerider]

Downside? $27.00 for a box of 20 shells....

If you can find some, swaged lead semi wadcutter hollow points loaded down to around 900-950 fps (as low as your sight adjustment will allow) make a great practice/small game round. I used to use Alberts 230 gr. in my .44s, loaded down to 950 fps with 8-8.5 grs. of Unique and a standard primer. If you can't get the velocity low enough to prevent leading, run a half dozen jacketed loads through before you quit for the day, will scrub the lead out of the barrel.

 

[1911]

And what the heck -- for a gun thread, I s'pose it's admirable that it didn't end up getting closed for political content. But only in winter, and on this forum might it have taken this direction. :huh:

Ya Jackwagon...there was nothing political about this thread 'til you mentioned "political content". WHAT political content???

Hey ya manatee fecker, try an roll with it, instead of being so serious. Or ain't ya been laid in a while 'cause the manatees aren't near shore this time of year? The statistics show that 47% of threads on this site that mention "guns" become political, 65% of which get closed. I know, I know -- yer posting in the mid morning, coffee ain't as effective as meth, yer old and the synapses don't work til mid afternoon.

Hey, take it easy on the old druggies. If things aren't working for me by midmorning,I give up for the day.

To keep it on subject I think I'll shoot the 1911 today or maybe the LLama or both. Sure glad I have a bullet trap in the shop cause it's only 15 outside.

Mind showing pic or elaborating? I've been searching for a snail type trap for the back yard.

I don't know if I have any pics. I'll look but I'm not to good at trying to post them either. It's made out of 1/4 plate steel.It's basicly a box 30X30 with the back angled at 45 degrees. The front has a chanel for plywood to slide into. The base has a 6" deep border around it filled with sand. Bullet goes through the plywood and hits the angled back and the remains end up in the sand. The sides contain the rest of it. I have used hand guns up to full house 44 mag with no issues. the 223 raised hell with the angled back plate so if I was going to use it for rifles I would use 1/2 armor plate on the back. I have used it for years with no problems. I'll see if I can get some pictures up.

I got some pics today but the puter won't load them from my camera so I will see if I can get my laptop to do the job. Then all I have to do is relearn the posting thing. Haven't done it for some time.

Thanks for the reply. Your description makes pics unneeded. FWIW I found something like what I'm looking for here. These haven't been made in a while. It seems to me like a good enough idea that someone should be making an affordable home model now, but I can't find one.

 

[1911]

Okay, as a self-admitted firearms ignoramus, I gotta ask the experts here, WHY is there a discussion about Colt vs Glock?

The consensus appears to favor the M1911...is it the classic design? The fact that it's "The First"? Is it truly a better handgun? Is it more accurate? More trouble-free? What's the dealio?

I actually want to know what the big deal is.

Again, without being a handgun aficionado, I don't really know why pick one over the other. But admittedly, from purely an appearance P.O.V., the M1911 is a MUCH better looking weapon. AND, it would be ideal for driving tent stakes, clubbing weasels, smashing out car windows, pistol-whipping children, etc.

FWIW- I didn't intend to start a Colt v Glock thread. A while back the the Hitler rant on BMWs was posted on this forum


Funny, My posts usually get about 2 replies. This one has survived 5 pages.

 

[RadioHowie]

Bounce's post helped some, but I need more...MORE...MORE info:

1911 vs Glock -- what's the deal? I've heard in some discussions the 1911's accuracy sucks compared to the Glock, yet other times I hear the 1911's accuracy is WAY better than exceptional.

Another way to get an answer would be to form a question -- if you were in a real combat situation with bad guys shooting at you, would you rather have the Colt or the Kraut in yer mitt? (I know, the Glock is Austrian, but give them Kraut's another chance and Austria would be Germany's southeastern vacation neighborhood again. :rofl: )

edit to add: BTW, I'm 1st Generation American of German parentage, so don't give me no **** about the "kraut" statements! :finger:

 

[FJRay]

I haven't had the oportunity to play with a Glock but have a fair bit of time with the Colt. Out of the box my 1991A1 Colt would shoot six inch groups at 25 yards off a rest, After some tuning, trigger work,slide work,barrel bushing and hand loads it will do two inch groups if I haven't had to much coffee. I didn't make it real slick but I did make it dependable and it cycles on anything I feed it.A lot of competition shooters can do much better.

As far as which one is best in a bad situation,I like the Colt because I know the weapon. The glock is probably as good. The best gun it a gun fight is the one you can get to first and protect yourself.

It's like Richard and Brian trying to prove which is better. The car tire or the MC tire. Or get a bunch of boaters pontificating about which anchor is best.

 

[RadioHowie]

It's like Richard and Brian trying to prove which is better. The car tire or the MC tire. Or get a bunch of boaters pontificating about which anchor is best.

Okay, so it really IS sorta like a Gen I/Gen II discussion....both are great are are loved the best by those that love them the best.

 

[FJRay]

It's like Richard and Brian trying to prove which is better. The car tire or the MC tire. Or get a bunch of boaters pontificating about which anchor is best.

Okay, so it really IS sorta like a Gen I/Gen II discussion....both are great are are loved the best by those that love them the best.

Took you long enough to figure it out. Now finish your Geritol and go to bed.

 

[Bounce]

Out of the box my 1991A1 Colt would shoot six inch groups at 25 yards off a rest, After some tuning, trigger work,slide work,barrel bushing and hand loads it will do two inch groups if I haven't had to much coffee.

it truly depends on what your base gun is as to what it will do "out of the box". i had a Colt Combat Commander. It may have been a monday hangover build but was probably the single worst gun I've ever owned (and I love my Colt Revolvers). My Kimber Pro Carry II isn't a custom shop gun but it beats both the 6" @ 25 yards as well as the 2" if I can do my end (or use a Ransom Rest). In a rest it can cut a single cloverleaf @ 25 yards. Anything worse cannot be blamed on the pistol or the design. This Kimber isn't unique amongst 1911's either.

I've had Sigs in 229, 220, and other models (9mm, .45 ACP, .380). I've had H&K (one of my favorites to shoot was the P9S but also the P7M13) that were tack drivers (fixed barrels and roller block designs do that). I've shot, but not owned Glocks. As a service pistol anything of sufficient caliber and power will do the job if the choice is reasonably accurate and dead-nuts reliable (be sure of the latter). You don' need bulls eye accuracy for self defense or combat. Anything in a coffee saucer at 25 yards is more than fine. Under pressure and with flash sight pictures anything within the 10 ring of a "smurf" target will get the job going.

I gravitate to the 1911 because I prefer the single action trigger and manual of arms to that of the Krunchentickers like the Sig and hybrids like the Glock and H&K P7M13. I partly attribute that to my time behind the wheel of that design over others. I prefer the .45 ACP because of caliber and permanent crush cavity over a smaller crush cavity and larger temporary stretch cavity.

But then I like my 30-06 and .308 over my military issued .223 (except that full auto is loads of fun when I'm not buying ammo).

 

[FJRay]

Out of the box my 1991A1 Colt would shoot six inch groups at 25 yards off a rest, After some tuning, trigger work,slide work,barrel bushing and hand loads it will do two inch groups if I haven't had to much coffee.

it truly depends on what your base gun is as to what it will do "out of the box". i had a Colt Combat Commander. It may have been a monday hangover build but was probably the single worst gun I've ever owned (and I love my Colt Revolvers). My Kimber Pro Carry II isn't a custom shop gun but it beats both the 6" @ 25 yards as well as the 2" if I can do my end (or use a Ransom Rest). In a rest it can cut a single cloverleaf @ 25 yards. Anything worse cannot be blamed on the pistol or the design. This Kimber isn't unique amongst 1911's either.

I've had Sigs in 229, 220, and other models (9mm, .45 ACP, .380). I've had H&K (one of my favorites to shoot was the P9S but also the P7M13) that were tack drivers (fixed barrels and roller block designs do that). I've shot, but not owned Glocks. As a service pistol anything of sufficient caliber and power will do the job if the choice is reasonably accurate and dead-nuts reliable (be sure of the latter). You don' need bulls eye accuracy for self defense or combat. Anything in a coffee saucer at 25 yards is more than fine. Under pressure and with flash sight pictures anything within the 10 ring of a "smurf" target will get the job going.

I gravitate to the 1911 because I prefer the single action trigger and manual of arms to that of the Krunchentickers like the Sig and hybrids like the Glock and H&K P7M13. I partly attribute that to my time behind the wheel of that design over others. I prefer the .45 ACP because of caliber and permanent crush cavity over a smaller crush cavity and larger temporary stretch cavity.

But then I like my 30-06 and .308 over my military issued .223 (except that full auto is loads of fun when I'm not buying ammo).

Full auto is the **** when somebody else is buying. They are legal around here with a license so the oportunity show up once in a while.

I do like my Colt but for accuracy my N frame Smith in .357 with the 8 3/8 barrel is real good.

I've got an old 1917 Enfield in 30.06 that was built by an ATF amory guy that is amazing and a late model Savage with the good barrel,accu trigger and a good scope that is hell on sage rats.

Sigh!! So many guns and so little ammo.

 

[TheZsdad]

Okay, so it really IS sorta like a Gen I/Gen II discussion....both are great are are loved the best by those that love them the best.

For me it's more like the difference between a silicone **** and a natural one. Both look good but one feels better than the other.

Certainly this is my opinion and it took years and years of shooting before I tried a M1911. First one bought in the mid 90's.

As far as which one I'd rather have if the chips were down it would be the M1911 because I practice more with it. But the point about

whichever is the closest is well taken.

I like the way the M1911 recoils. It seems to push instead of snap which allows me to get back on target quicker and smoother for follow up shots.

Maybe due to the subsonic velocities or the metal slide on a metal frame. Then again maybe it's what John Browning had in mind when he designed it.

I was sighting in a long gun at the range one day and noticed this guy shooting a rock just below my 100 yard target with a M1911.

Damned if he wasn't hitting that rock over and over. It was about the size of a football. At closing I asked the guy about his pistol.

After some talk he loads a magazine and hands me the gun. I fired 7 rounds at a target 100 yards out free hand. First 3 shots the guy says you hit wood.

Then he tells me that round drops about a foot at 100 yards. Next 4 rounds hit my target. I was sold on the .45 and the M1911 right then and there.

It just felt right.

 

[CAJW]

In the event your just joining us, let me save you the trouble of reading the first 96 posts with a brief summary. We've learned German, seen some bitchin' colts, found out that the ONLY gun Exskibum doesn't have is a 1911, Juniorfjr is a wheelman, Geezer has fat hands, Bounce flirts with double stacks (who wouldn't?), GalaxyBlue has excellent taste in firearms, Bust and Ex have sticky keyboards, Shiny and Beemerdons have Burros, Sheep & Colts heading for another state, FJRay will make his fortune selling forum members bullet traps and dreams of toothless sheep, Shiny is shopping for DryWall Stilts and just bought an annual pass to the Roseburg Zoo and TheZsdad is volunteering to teach a class that explores the differences between silicone and natural ****s! Lastly 1911 has succeeded in starting a thread that ended up covering just about every taboo subject known to man in 5 pages.

 

[FJRay]

In the event your just joining us, let me save you the trouble of reading the first 96 posts with a brief summary. We've learned German, seen some bitchin' colts, found out that the ONLY gun Exskibum doesn't have is a 1911, Juniorfjr is a wheelman, Geezer has fat hands, Bounce flirts with double stacks (who wouldn't?), GalaxyBlue has excellent taste in firearms, Bust and Ex have sticky keyboards, Shiny and Beemerdons have Burros, Sheep & Colts heading for another state, FJRay will make his fortune selling forum members bullet traps and dreams of toothless sheep, Shiny is shopping for DryWall Stilts and just bought an annual pass to the Roseburg Zoo and TheZsdad is volunteering to teach a class that explores the differences between silicone and natural ****s! Lastly 1911 has succeeded in starting a thread that ended up covering just about every taboo subject known to man in 5 pages.

AND, It's only Wednesday, we still have plenty of time to offend the rest of the planet :lol:

 

[Bustanut joker]

Speak for yerself ya goat fuker