Wheat Belly, or,.. How to get a few decades younger

[Gyrobob]

Can you eat pasta??

It appears the short answer is ...NO.

As an arthritic, heart diseased, diabetic I'm willing to take the plunge. I ordered the book and the cook book tonight. I have pretty good drug coverage and still spend over $2000 a year on the long list of drugs I take. Do you know how many tires that will pay for???? It's a cheap gamble.

Rob

Correct,.. but there are some moderately acceptable substitutions. Miracle noodles has what are called shirataki noodles that are spaghetti-ish. Also a lot of folks use spaghetti squash. Most pasta, though, as you surmise, is simply wheat.

You bring up a very valid point about the cost. I does cost a bit more initially to not eat the super cheapo wheat/grain based processed foods, but shortly after getting the hang of it, you learn how to do economically, AND, for most folks serious problems, their medical bills decrease markedly. Visits to the Doc decrease, procedures done decrease, and pill-taking decreases a lot or disappears entirely.

Also, to keep this whole thing related to the mighty FJR, most folks (especially the social security types like me) are able to do way more long-distance riding because of the decreased discomfort, and to do it more safely. See!!,... this it motorcycly info!

 

[Gyrobob]

The click you just heard was the opening of a padlock.

i wish. but inevitably someone somewhere else will whine about admin oppression (help! help! i'm being repressed!) regardless of how tactful i try to be.

the gleaming-eyed accolyte nature of the proponent is just about half a step this side of a Moonie.

OP: You've pitched your mantra. You've made your points. PLEASE take it to e-mail.

Most folks that shed a lot of their health problems have a healthy gleam in their eyes, I will admit.

I do have trouble understanding the reasoning, though, as to why a discussion like this needs to be shut down. Apparently folks want to participate in the discussion, both pro and con.

The only possible effect airing these concepts here is positive. People DO get healthier when they understand this stuff.

No one is selling anything or trying any other subterfuge. I bring these things up simply because I stumbled upon something that makes my life waaaay better, especially when riding an FJR. It feels good to see folks stumbling upon this as well, and trying it out. Almost always, things get better.

What is the downside to letting the discussion continue?

 

[FJRay]

Just another person preaching from a different pulpit.

 

[ionbeam]

...I do have trouble understanding the reasoning, though, as to why a discussion like this needs to be shut down. Apparently folks want to participate in the discussion, both pro and con.
What is the downside to letting the discussion continue?...

Discussion:

1. an act or instance of discussing; consideration or examination by argument, comment, etc.; informal debate.

Preach:

1. To proclaim or put forth in a sermon: preached the gospel.
2. To advocate, especially to urge acceptance of or compliance with

3. To give religious or moral instruction, especially in a tedious manner.

 

[Gyrobob]

...I do have trouble understanding the reasoning, though, as to why a discussion like this needs to be shut down. Apparently folks want to participate in the discussion, both pro and con.
What is the downside to letting the discussion continue?...

Discussion:

1. an act or instance of discussing; consideration or examination by argument, comment, etc.; informal debate.

Preach:

1. To proclaim or put forth in a sermon: preached the gospel.
2. To advocate, especially to urge acceptance of or compliance with

3. To give religious or moral instruction, especially in a tedious manner.

Yup, looks like we are discussing. Various points of view are being presented in informal debate, with arguments presented on both sides. The definition of discussion does not mean all participants have to present both sides of the argument,... some folks tend to discuss one side, other folks discuss the other side. Just because you favor one side of an argument does not mean you are preaching.

 

[Bounce]

Wrong. It's preaching. It's all one sided and a little comment elicits paragraphs of monologue. It's fervent religiocity. If it were a video, we'd see someone pacing on a stage; wound back up by the least little cough from someone in the back row. That you don't see it when others have been very patient and tried very hard to be tactful is another sign.

Reign it in. You've made your point. Keep the answers concise and don't cover old ground over and over again or it will be moved to NEPRT. If it then doesn't tone down to a real discussion after that, it'll be locked.

I can't be any more clear and polite than I have tried to be.

(and to everyone reading on the side lines, these extended admin efforts are why everyone eventually goes the quick-and-curt route. it simply wears everyone down when you bang your head against certain brick walls.)

 

[Ignacio]

Agree with Bounce. The thread author is pushing a variety of boundaries and bounce been more than helpful.

 

[FJRay]

So when do we get served the koolaid????

 

[TripperMike]

Before I consider trying this change in diet, I'd like to know one thing.

Can you do a Papa Murphys in one of those smokers?

 

[SoCalFJR1300]

Anyone watch the video "FORKS OVER KNIVES"??

My son is eating like they say in that video and has lost 20 lbs so far in about 2 months.

Basically they've done studies for decades of groups of people in China.

One area of China the people eat a lot of meat and dairy.

The other area is just fruits and veggies and rarely any meat ot dairy.

The meat and dairy people had a lot of Cancer, heart disease, Diabetes, high blood pressure ect......

The fruit and veggie folks had very little of these problems or almost none at all.

The theory is humans can't process animal protein very well and it leads to various diseases so if you cut out dairy and meat you will virtually eliminate most disease.

Since the difference in the diseases in the 2 groups was so great I figure there has to be something to it!

 

[SoCalFJR1300]

Agree with Bounce. The thread author is pushing a variety of boundaries and bounce been more than helpful.

What's he "pushing"??

He's not cussing anyone out, he's not name calling, he's sticking to his topic which is "diet"

 

[Redfish Hunter]

I tried to stay out of this one, I really really tried.

If this diet makes the OP that happy and he just wanted to share it with all of his FJR riding friends in a sincere hope that he would make their lives better, that would be great. I applaud anything that extends the lifespan and the riding years of my FJR forum friends. A "healthy" diet will help do that I suppose.

If the OP only joined this forum to preach the gospel of this diet and has no genuine interest in the FJR, we will soon find out and he will be just one more troll.

I would be a little more convinced if we all got an invitation for a Ride to Eat with the OP. Then we could have a truly FJR related diet discussion... I'll bet that does not happen.

Since I don't have any experience with anything approaching an organized and sensible diet, I cannot give an opinion one way or the other as to the effectiveness of this program or any other. I will point out that the OP tells us in one post that we should go back to eating like our ancestors before they started farming. Then he later says that meat charred over an open fire is bad for us.

I call BS here. Either we eat like a caveman or we do not.

 

[SoCalFJR1300]

I tried to stay out of this one, I really really tried.
If this diet makes the OP that happy and he just wanted to share it with all of his FJR riding friends in a sincere hope that he would make their lives better, that would be great. I applaud anything that extends the lifespan and the riding years of my FJR forum friends. A "healthy" diet will help do that I suppose.

If the OP only joined this forum to preach the gospel of this diet and has no genuine interest in the FJR, we will soon find out and he will be just one more troll.

I would be a little more convinced if we all got an invitation for a Ride to Eat with the OP. Then we could have an truly FJR related diet discussion... I'll bet that does not happen.

Since I don't have any experience with anything approaching an organized and sensible diet, I cannot give an opinion one way or the other as to the effectiveness of this program or any other. I will point out that the OP tells us in one post that we should go back to eating like our ancestors before they started farming. Then he later says that meat charred over an open fire is bad for us.

I call BS here. Either we eat like a caveman or we do not.

Well.....he has his avatar showing him with his FJR so I would assume he's into more than just diet.

As far as the charred meat go's I heard long ago that charred meat is bad to eat as when it's burnt like that it has Cancer causing agents in it.

 

[HotRodZilla]

WTF?? Have you looked around? Water has "cancer causing agents" in it.

 

[08FJR4ME]

Leave it to Zilla, but you know he is right. I have a big problem with this. I love burnt toast, burnt meat, burnt cheese and just about anything that's burnt.

See ya on the other side I guess, won't be long now.

 

[Redfish Hunter]

When I hear "Cancer causing agents" somehow I get a mental picture of the villain in an early James Bond film.

Yes, I have read that charred meat will cause cancer. The point was, there is a contradiction between eating like a caveman but not eating meat charred over an open fire.

I don't recall any early cave art depicting a salad, or a loaf of bread for that matter. I do remember there were lots of pics of animals...Yummy! I am pretty sure they got cooked over an open fire.

I support the OP's right to a non FJR discussion in the "Off Topic" section. I neither agree nor disagree as to the effectiveness of this diet. I can only wonder about his motives for posting this topic. I assume nothing based on an avatar pic.

 

[Bounce]

RH has brought up another good point. It'd be seen in a possibly different light if the OP had more than 24 posts in his history[1]; and that they were about about FJRs. Without any such background, all we are left with is the foot he's chosen to put forward... and forward... and forward again. Anyone with a history of forum related posts is obviously given a little leeway when they stray to another topic because it's part of the whole.

So far this is his whole history and it's as unappetizing for those sending PMs as whole wheat is to the OP.

I highly recommend that the OP work on changing his post ratio if he has any real intentions of being seen as more than a shil for this thing of his.

[1] mostly in this thread.

 

[SoCalFJR1300]

RH has brought up another good point. It'd be seen in a possibly different light if the OP had more than 24 posts in his history[1]; and that they were about about FJRs. Without any such background, all we are left with is the foot he's chosen to put forward... and forward... and forward again. Anyone with a history of forum related posts is obviously given a little leeway when they stray to another topic because it's part of the whole.

So far this is his whole history and it's as unappetizing for those sending PMs as whole wheat is to the OP.

I highly recommend that the OP work on changing his post ratio if he has any real intentions of being seen as more than a shil for this thing of his.

[1] mostly in this thread.

Well, so far he hasn't asked any of us to buy anything so I don't see a problem with it personally, just my opinion though YMMV.

Since he's pretty new it isn't strange that his post ratio would be kind of slanted is it?

I'm sure it'll even out a bit.

 

[SoCalFJR1300]

When I hear "Cancer causing agents" somehow I get a mental picture of the villain in an early James Bond film.
Yes, I have read that charred meat will cause cancer. The point was, there is a contradiction between eating like a caveman but not eating meat charred over an open fire.

I don't recall any early cave art depicting a salad, or a loaf of bread for that matter. I do remember there were lots of pics of animals...Yummy! I am pretty sure they got cooked over an open fire.

I support the OP's right to a non FJR discussion in the "Off Topic" section. I neither agree nor disagree as to the effectiveness of this diet. I can only wonder about his motives for posting this topic. I assume nothing based on an avatar pic.

Fair enough Hunter.

Didn't know if you heard of the burnt issue before that's why I posted that.

To me it kinda' makes sense, I mean it's burnt and essentially ruined, void of nutrients, it's also chemically changed.

My Mom likes burnt stuff too....burnt potato chips, burnt french fries ect......I do worry about her health, she uses a walker and lives with me, she's 91 and I'd hate to see her go before her time!

(My Aunt, her sister is 97!)

 

[SoCalFJR1300]

WTF?? Have you looked around? Water has "cancer causing agents" in it.

That depends on what kind of water you're drinking.