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Wind it up, folks. I've tried to be tactful. Don't make me regret trying to avoid the quick/curt path.

Take it to that Dr's discussion forum if you want. I suspect there's a lot to learn, but it's not bikes and it's not FJR.

 
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Wind it up, folks. I've tried to be tactful. Don't make me regret trying to avoid the quick/curt path.
Take it to that Dr's discussion forum if you want. I suspect there's a lot to learn, but it's not bikes and it's not FJR.
I thought "completely off topic" meant it did not have to be bike related. It seems there are lots of other discussions in this section not bike related. Maybe I am missing something.

 
The successful threads in Off Topic tend to have a finite problem statement, a period of discussion which often contains factual or reference information and has a conclusion period where the facts lead to some form of a resolution. Ever so often a thread is very specific and needs no discussion, such as My Pet.

The area you are in is like politics or religion where there is no finite statement and no one correct or complete answer or even a general blanket statement and absolutely no resolution because it is personal choice. I have worked with and have family members that have 'my body, my hobby' and they aren't happy unless they are doing something to mess with their body in some way. It is amazing because they have no illness, no diagnosed problems and no disease but feel that they won't be right unless they are doing something. When a person feels that they just aren't right and go to the internet or a heath food store to discuss things with like minded people there is no end to the things they are gullible to educated with that leads to more of a form of self medication.

Problem statement of a finite issue or simply a post that needs no reply (post a picture of your pet)

Discussion with facts or references or relevant anecdotal experience that leads to a conclusion

Conclusion, actions

follow-up

 
Wind it up, folks. I've tried to be tactful. Don't make me regret trying to avoid the quick/curt path.
Take it to that Dr's discussion forum if you want. I suspect there's a lot to learn, but it's not bikes and it's not FJR.
I thought "completely off topic" meant it did not have to be bike related. It seems there are lots of other discussions in this section not bike related. Maybe I am missing something.
I'm with you...this is off-topic.

If we are just to direct people to linked web pages of the matter on the internet, then gun discussions should only direct people to internet links...and no discussion about best gun, etc?

What is this sub-forum for except to discuss issues that are "off-topic", ie...not about FJRs or bikes??

As long as the dood isn't trying to sell or hype his way of thinking (like some Darksiders do), then I see no issue with this off-topic discussion in this off topic forum.

...Or did I miss the orwellian memo?

 
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Thou shall not eat wheat.

So it is written. So it is done...

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PS - I'm in agreement. This is the basement, where all discussion is (should be) fair game. If you don't want to engage in such repartee, then by all means... go away.

 
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Ya know, if I was to give up the things on your list, I'd ask myself, "What do I live for now?" Yea I know the sceince behind the hypothesis, but what the hell are we living for, that extra 8 years in the alzheimer ward. not me.

 
Ask a diabetic about wheat in the diet.
Rob

(still kicking)
Another very good point. Get wheat/grains/sugar out of the diet, and diabetes disappears completely sometimes. A few of the folks at work (Delta) have had their diabetes improve remarkably. One guy who was prediatbetic is no longer that way, and another guy who has been type 2 for years is off his meds completely.

 
Ya know, if I was to give up the things on your list, I'd ask myself, "What do I live for now?" Yea I know the sceince behind the hypothesis, but what the hell are we living for, that extra 8 years in the alzheimer ward. not me.
It's not a hypothesis. This is happening now. BTW, speaking of alzheimer's, there are lots of neurological aspects to this as well. The guy across the street from me had his whole family stop with the wheat, and his epileptic kid has not had a seizure in nearly a year. One of the women on a Suzuki forum made a youtube video of her brother who, after 30 years of having MS so bad he could clean himself, gets up out of his wheelchair and walks around for a bit. He's not ready for racquetball yet, but just standing up and walking slowly is huge for him. He stopped wheating about four years ago.

What do I live for now? I live for not having all the problems I had from the 1960s up through 2011. I would never ever go back to wheat and grains if it meant having joint pain, high blood pressure, fecal combat, allergies, weight gain, migraines, etc., all of which went away within a few months of being wheat/grain free. I had so many things get better I had to start tracking them in a file:

https://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh253/Gyrobob_theOriginal/Healthy%20Stuff/Wheatfreeresults02d.jpg

I'm sorry to hear this thread is about to be buttoned up. It seems as if a few folks were starting to get interested.

 
Man...If any forum could use a good diet plan, this one could. I don't know anything about the evil of wheat, but it's something else to think about.

Don't stress it Bob...remember: BIG egos and little wieners. It is what it is.

 
Man...If any forum could use a good diet plan, this one could. I don't know anything about the evil of wheat, but it's something else to think about.
Don't stress it Bob...remember: BIG egos and little wieners. It is what it is.
Actually I did "stress it" in these situations about a half a year into being amazed by how much better things were without wheat or any other grains.

-- After a little while, though, I realized there will always be folks who won't participate and will actually deride the whole idea just because it sounds unusual.

-- Those folks will always be there, and they will always be spouting off without knowing anything about it.

-- Those folks don't bother me anymore. They are a constant, so I just drag out a big stack of patience, and stick to my guns, hoping to get the ear of a few folks who might be open-minded enough to at least listen and discuss.

What REALLY rings my chimes is when someone tells me they tried it and all kinds of problems went away. At work, the guy who used to be my boss puts his arm on top his head whenever he sees me. Due to high school football injuries, his shoulder joints were shot. Many operations and decades later, he was in constant pain, and could not get his arms above his ears. He still doesn't have much strength in his arms, but the joint pain is mostly gone, especially the burdensome constant pain that bothered him every moment of every day.

 
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Yep. First I've ever made with my first-ever smoker. 7 hours on low-and-slow with apple wood seasoning.

Dill pickle spear, a slice of white bread, some nanner puddin with 'nilla waifers on top, sweet tea. Shoulda had some beans too but it was a busy day just getting all that ready.

 
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Only a minor hijack, considering it's still food related.

And since this is Completely Off-Topic anyway...

I've been considering getting some sort of smoker for Casa W. I love everything smoked, from meats to cheeses and especially salmon. What sort of an appliance did you end up with, Bounce?

I've been thinking of holding out for some sort of a jumbo cabinet type dealio so that I can really load it up when doing and all day smoking. I noticed that the Home Depot now has a full line-up of different models these days.

 
Only a minor hijack, considering it's still food related. And since this is Completely Off-Topic anyway...

I've been considering getting some sort of smoker for Casa W. I love everything smoked, from meats to cheeses and especially salmon. What sort of an appliance did you end up with, Bounce?

I've been thinking of holding out for some sort of a jumbo cabinet type dealio so that I can really load it up when doing and all day smoking. I noticed that the Home Depot now has a full line-up of different models these days.
Smokers are a good way to prepare meat because the meat does not see extremely high temps. The Wheat Belly book explains about AGEs (advanced glycation end products) that are a primary factor in aging. AGEs happen when meat is cooked at a very high temp,... for example, well done (charred) meat on an open flame grill.

 
Yep. First I've ever made with my first-ever smoker. 7 hours on low-and-slow with apple wood seasoning.
Dill pickle spear, a slice of white bread, some nanner puddin with 'nilla waifers on top, sweet tea. Shoulda had some beans too but it was a busy day just getting all that ready.
Sure looks tasty. If it were me, I'd leave out the stuff that makes blood sugar spikes. The foundation is great, though,... meat and veggies.

 
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Wind it up, folks. I've tried to be tactful. Don't make me regret trying to avoid the quick/curt path.
Take it to that Dr's discussion forum if you want. I suspect there's a lot to learn, but it's not bikes and it's not FJR.
Actually this type of discussion is perfect for this Forum Bounce. Look at some of the members we have on this forum. Some pretty impressive LD riders. One of the many things I've noticed when I've met a few is they take their riding so seriously that their diets appear to be just as important as the farkles they put on their bikes. Obviously exercise is just as important. As for myself, perhaps a discussion such as this might just be enough for me to kick my arse in gear - again.

About a year and a half ago I did something very much like what Gyrobob is talking about. 2 months and 28 lbs. less. Lasted for about 5 months and then I got lazy about my eating habits again. And oh by the way, during that revamped diet period, I was still enjoying a beer/night.

Now I would like to do some much longer rides than I have previously done, and the only way I can see doing them is for me to once again revamp my diet. Less weight above the seat = less weight on the seat (and handlebars for that matter). And obviously once again, one can not overstate the importance of more exercise to the regiment.

Thanks Gyrobob for bringing this is up, tis worthy of discussion. I just wouldn't present it as though wheat was the worst calamity known to mankind.

Of course JMHO.

 
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Wind it up, folks. I've tried to be tactful. Don't make me regret trying to avoid the quick/curt path.
Take it to that Dr's discussion forum if you want. I suspect there's a lot to learn, but it's not bikes and it's not FJR.
Actually this type of discussion is perfect for this Forum Bounce. Look at some of the members we have on this forum. Some pretty impressive LD riders. One of the many things I've noticed when I've met a few is they take their riding so seriously that their diets appear to be just as important as the farkles they put on their bikes. Obviously exercise is just as important. As for myself, perhaps a discussion such as this might just be enough for me to kick my arse in gear - again.

About a year and a half ago I did something very much like what Gyrobob is talking about. 2 months and 28 lbs. less. Lasted for about 5 months and then I got lazy about my eating habits again. And oh by the way, during that revamped diet period, I was still enjoying a beer/night.

Now I would like to do some much longer rides than I have previously done, and the only way I can see doing them is for me to once again revamp my diet. Less weight above the seat = less weight on the seat (and handlebars for that matter). And obviously once again, one can not overstate the importance of more exercise to the regiment.

Thanks Gyrobob for bringing this is up, tis worthy of discussion. I just wouldn't present it as though wheat was the worst calamity known to mankind.

Of course JMHO.
Valid comments, TripperMike. I'm sure you won't be surprised that I have some comments on your comments, eh? ;-)

This is not a diet as much as it is a realization we have made a huge mistake by building our existence around wheat and other grains. You said, " I just wouldn't present it as though wheat was the worst calamity known to mankind." That is not all that far from the truth. I realize for 99% of the folks out there, this sounds crazy, but 9,000 years ago, when we invented agriculture. arthritis, heart disease, diabetes, tooth decay, and a host of other maladies showed a huge increase over the next few generations, and has kept getting worse from there. Wheat IS one of humankind's calamities. The way to prove it to yourself is to eat no wheat, no grains, no sugars for a couple months and see what happens. I guarantee you the difference in your life will be impressive, even if you think you are in fine health now.

"One of the many things I've noticed when I've met a few is they take their riding so seriously that their diets appear to be just as important as the farkles they put on their bikes." I can back this up. My yearly jaunt to Daytona is about 9 hrs actual riding time. Over the past several years up until last year, the trip was getting more and more uncomfortable. I not only had to plan out the eats (where to stop, what to carry, etc.), I was having to stop for breaks more often just to give my senior-citizen bod a chance to free itself of the aches and pains from sitting on the bike for so long.

In Oct 2011, I discovered how badly wheat was bothering me. I stopped with the wheat/grains/sugars, and ate only single-ingredient food. The next trip in 2012 was heaven in comparison.

-- The only thing that caused me to stop was to get gas and to pee.

-- I didn't need to eat for the whole trip since I was free of the appetite stimulants in wheat.

-- My joints didn't hurt.

-- No headaches anymore.

-- The tinnitus was less.

-- Lower back pain gone.

The 2012 and 2013 trips were completely different than the previous 10 or 15 trips. I would think the iron-butt rally types would really like to know about this.

You mentioned you tried something like this before, but that you fell off the wagon, so to speak. If you eat absolutely no wheat or any other grains, you really do lose a lot of the cravings. Wheat is loaded with appetite stimulants, some of which are actually opiates. Eating wheat makes you want to eat more wheat. Stop eating wheat, and after your eating habits wither away, you'll be surprised how little you feel like eating anything at all most of the time. My point?,... after a month or two, you will have no desire, no craving, no need to go back to being a wheater. You will literally have no motivation to do that. You would have to toss yourself off the wagon,.. falling off just doesn't happen for two reasons:

-- you have no desire,.. will-power is not required

-- eating wheat after being off of it for a while causes unpleasant reactions. This is one of the disadvantages of this system. Once free of wheat, your bod gets back to normal. When you get wheated, you will react unpleasantly one way or another. For me, I can tell when I get ambushed by the low-grade headache I have for a few hours. For arthritics enjoying the disappearance of joint pain, sometimes their joints will ache like before for several hours. Anyway, once you are wheat free, there is some negative motivation to not wheat yourself again.

Again, weight loss is not the main goal. It usually happens to heavy folks, but the main thing is to stop stuffing this harmful stuff into your face because of the "unhealth" it causes.

 
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