Yamaha Super Tenere 1200

[beemerdons]

Well after a long weekend of pondering about this new bike I am out. The bike I have is a real good fit for me right now. I was a little troubled about the low seat height and ground clearance of the Yamaha. And the smallish fuel tank, and will it have enough electical power to keep up. My GSA has a huge fuel tank, and charging system. And being a tall guy the 36" seat feels about right.
If I didn't have this bike right now (2009 BMW R1200GSA) I would be buying one. My Beemer is setup and I going to keep her for a little longer.

Good luck to all you waiters out there...

Smitty

Wowser, that was a very close one Smitty! Lucky for you I saw this as soon as you posted it. I called Schonefeld Flughafen in Berlin and was able to get Hans und Dieter from BMW Motorraden off of their Lufthansa flight. They were flying to St. Louis where a BMW sedan was waiting, then they were going to drive to Hooterville to have a "talk" with you by hand!

 

[charismaticmegafauna]

Well after a long weekend of pondering about this new bike I am out. ...I was a little troubled about ... and will it have enough electical power to keep up.

What is the S. TenRay's alternator output?

As well as (I might add...): will it have enough power (as in horsepower)?

There's a YouTube where MCN comparison-tests a Ducati 1200 'Multi', BMW 1200GS, and KTM 990 ADV against the S. TenRay and the one telling comment from the testers was "the Yamaha was 'down on power' (campared...)."

(the Ducati was picked by the testers...)

It may be such a competent, refined, effort that it just doesn't feel as powerful?

 

[wheatonFJR]

Well after a long weekend of pondering about this new bike I am out. The bike I have is a real good fit for me right now. I was a little troubled about the low seat height and ground clearance of the Yamaha. And the smallish fuel tank, and will it have enough electical power to keep up. My GSA has a huge fuel tank, and charging system. And being a tall guy the 36" seat feels about right.
If I didn't have this bike right now (2009 BMW R1200GSA) I would be buying one. My Beemer is setup and I going to keep her for a little longer.

Good luck to all you waiters out there...

Smitty

HOLD ON!!!

Let me write down the date today...Smitty purposely does NOT buy a different bike. :dribble:

 

[No One]

Here is some great info and over all info about the new Super Tenere 1200Z..

General Impressions, Reviews and Info

Dual Sport Africa "Africa is not for sissies" video Review, 12 minutes ABS impressions (Hint - revelation) Good info on the Tenere history as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8zsCBwnHZ8

Dual Sport Africa Swaziland Review Page on the XT1200Z, with lots of useful info including Ground clearance (205mm)

https://www.super-tenere.co.za/homepage.htm

Australian Dirt Bike embarks on a 5-day adventure ride - preview [AUZ]

[2010 BMW R1200 GS Adventure, BMW F800 GS, Yamaha's Tenere XT660, Super Tenere XT1200.]

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.ph...;postcount=3965

edogs TBAM video review series including single track. [AUZ]

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=3944

Off Road Explorer Review Preview. [AUZ]

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=3567

MetalJockey Review thread including another ABS disable option for the l33t brakers. [s.AFRICA]

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=583990

Sp!kes Review

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=2580

Two plugs Review (6' 8") Tall

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=2581

And pics

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=2582

Wasp showing how easy it is to pick up, in the Gnarly stuff (at 20 seconds)

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=3337

R3B initial impressions

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=2774

Wasp Review

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=2918

Old Dogs first Impressions

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=3616

Old Dogs 1500 trip report

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=3733

Horseman474 Review

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=2947

Danger Dave first Impressions [NZ review]

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=3072

SuperCruise's first impressions

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=3431

One of the first Euro owners

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=2596

Off road test for old blokes

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=2599

Engine sound

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=2256

Test ride in France (not English)

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=2472

Motoblog review, including one of the ABS disable techniques, dirt ride and information, Italian

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=2960

Quick English translation of above for those that no understand Italian.

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=2972

MotoRevue Review [link to video] with translation by R3B

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=3085

Das motorrad Review Summary by R3B

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=3136

DcStrom falls in love with Mr Smoooooth

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=3407

S10 acceleration, Rider view

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=3415

Ride for Life site, (while it lasts)

https://rideforlife.super-tenere.com/

Ride for life Doco

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=2998

Times online review

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=2505

ABS brake and Traction Demo / test [bMW and S10]

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=3643

Wasp review of the Calsci Touring Screen for the S10

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=195

Wasp review of the Calsci Sport / Shorty Screen for the S10

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=270

Woody from Woody's wheels has a critical look at the tubeless wire wheels on the S10 (now we're getting esoteric)

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=1674

Jud's simple but meaningful take on the Shaft drive system..

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=1236

Engine and Chassis Specs etc

Actual Measured weights of a the XT1200, GS, GSA, KTM990

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=2381

Power

73.6kW (100 ch) @7.250 RPM

Torque

114.1 Nm (11.6kgf･m) @6,000 RPM

A pile of torque curves for MTS1200, TigerSE, R1200GS, S10, KTM990ADV, Moto Guzzi Stelvio 1200NTX, XLV1000 Varadero

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=3101

Adjusting the seat height, easy peasy.

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=3237

RON and AKI conversion (Euro, OZ Petrol <--> American)

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=2870

Electrical specs. To Answer the main question [580W alternator]

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=3760

Gnarliness Ability.

Wasps Gnarly off road test (story and pics). How to run in a bike the Australian way (KTM450 Vs WR250 Vs XT1200Z)

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...9&postcount=87

And the videos

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...4&postcount=88

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=122

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=155 (warning - soundtrack too cool for some people)

Off Road, Beach and in the Water

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=2609

The longer Multicamera version

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=2670

The first gnarly off road RR on ADVRIDER. P1 (Not drowning, not waving)

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...47&postcount=2

The first gnarly off road RR on ADVRIDER. P2 (Getting Dirty with a Strom)

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...4&postcount=10

Walking a Tenere (Ease of slow speed running)

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=2931

Off road, riders view via R3B

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=2994

160Kmh on gravel with power slide and high speed trail [south Africa]

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=3763

Medium hard terrain 2 up. [south Africa]

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=3764

Accessories and Upgrades (Farkles)

Leo Vince pipe

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=2849

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=2853

Sound check Leo Vince

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=2992

Metal Mule Pics on Old Gits bike?

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=2968

Metal Mule S10 page

https://www.metalmule.com/yamaha/super-tenere/

Devils exhaust

https://www.devil-exhaust.com/YAMAHA~1200%2...scooter.exhaust

SW Motech

https://shop.sw-motech.com/lshop,show...t1200z,,,,.htm

MotorradGarage

https://www.motorradgarage.com.au/cat...?cPath=106_247

California Scientific (Calsci) Screens for the S10

https://www.calsci.com/motorcycleinfo/Tenereprod.html

Wasps Review of the pre-release Calsci Touring and Shorty Screen (in the Reviews section)

Off The Road (Germany)

https://www.off-the-road.de/XT-1200-Z/

Dog bones for more Sport Biased Handling on Tarmac.

https://www.off-the-road.de/XT-1200-Z...XT-1200-Z.html

French owners custom cockpit "farkle" tray

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=3702

Auxiliary Power wiring.

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=357

Battery Charger Socket and Wiring from YAMAHA

https://www.yamaha-motor.co.uk/access...ME-YECPA-15-00

R3B's Crocodile GPS and Tankbag Fittings

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=3792

Servicing and Tech.

Wasps "The new WaspWorks Super Tenere, in detail and the evolution" thread

(please be on topic with the comments, this is not a general discussion thread)

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=595933

Exploded view of S10 rear end.

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=3980

Old Gits link to Unified Braking Explanation from Service Manual.

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=3382

S10 Guts hanging out (Easy maintenance) and ABS fuse discussion.

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=3018

Old Gits first Service mini review with pics.

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=3349

Spercruises 1000km service pics

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=3934

Service Manual

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=3597

Gear Ratio's

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=4268

Does a 150/17 TKC rear fit? [pics]

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=3808

What is a Karoo?

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=4043

Fuel Economy Thread (quick answer best so far 4.7L/100)

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=616169

Funny Stuff

Sleeping Tenere Pics (Sometimes not funny)

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=616905

Classic S10 Funny of the year (So Far) Kudos Wasp and CB200

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...7&postcount=19

WTF!

Tough or Unlucky?

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=2439

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=389

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=394

Other STZuff

Zeth609's S10 Site (Spanish)

https://www.misviajesensupertenere.com/blog/

S10 Glamor shoot

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=4050

Next to an R1200GSA (multiple shots)

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...2&postcount=53

Next to a BUSA

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=3290

Next to an 1150GSA (multiple shots)

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=3772

Nice Screen Backgrounds

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...3&postcount=56

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=2507

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=3002

https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=3073

 

[No One]

Hey No One where'd you get pics of my bike on the Haul road? Just kidding, wow I wonder how the front wheel stayed on the ground. BTW, who makes those engine guards in that pic of the S10? I am sure there will be lots of options in bars, skid plates etc. as time goes on. Many aluminum bag makers and Givi will just need to adapt their mounts and not the bags probably.
doctorj

Ill go check... Ive seen the web site several times.. When I come across it Ill post it for ya... They have a few other cool things too... Your right, tons of new parts on there way ! ! :yahoo:

 

[rushes]

Here is some great info and over all info about the new Super Tenere 1200Z.. *SNIP!!!*

Holy carp!

That's gotta be a new link record....

:lol:

Maybe I can make it last till next summer ta go through it all....

Thanks!

 

[Geezer]

Power73.6kW (100 ch) @7.250 RPM

Torque

114.1 Nm (11.6kgf･m) @6,000 RPM

73.6 KW = 98.7 HP

 

[No One]

Here is some great info and over all info about the new Super Tenere 1200Z.. *SNIP!!!*

Holy carp!

That's gotta be a new link record....

:lol:

Maybe I can make it last till next summer ta go through it all....

Thanks!

LOL :lol: :lol: :lol: Just in case ya need some new reading material...... LOL

 

[charismaticmegafauna]

Electrical specs. To Answer the main question [580W alternator]https://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=3760

Thanks

2009 BMW R1200GSA = 720W

 

[SkooterG]

Power73.6kW (100 ch) @7.250 RPM

Torque

114.1 Nm (11.6kgf･m) @6,000 RPM

73.6 KW = 98.7 HP

That ain't good. Heavier than a GS and 10% less power? Not good at all.

 

[beemerdons]

Power73.6kW (100 ch) @7.250 RPM

Torque

114.1 Nm (11.6kgf･m) @6,000 RPM

73.6 KW = 98.7 HP

That ain't good. Heavier than a GS and 10% less power? Not good at all.

As much as it truly pains Old Papa Chuy to have to agree with his Hijo SkooterG, GregM is right on! Having such great admiration for the products of the Yamaha Corporation, it really does surprise me they sorely missed the mark in both weight and power, against their biggest big trailie dual sport competitor: The BMW R1200GS. It is so unlike the Yamaha Research and Development Department modus operandi: They did not set a primary goal to have more horsepower and lighter weight than the BMW R1200GS. Instead, they built a machine 100 pounds heavier and with over 10% less power!

Not that it affects the Game Plan of Papa Chuy Viejo, D & H Cycles of Cullman, Alabama already has my $1,000 deposit check. My sole intent for my Super Tenere is to use it to ride to Guatemala City in October/November of 2011 with Los Hermanos Rodriquez, HotRodZilla-AJ and Patch308-Alex. If I return from Guatemala and feel that the 1200Z is woefully inadequate to the BMW R1200GS, I will simply pull a SMITTY! "DOING A SMITTY" is the new FJR Forum catchword or buzzword for riding a new motorcycle for only six months and then offloading it! This has a ring to it: "PULLING A SMITTY!"

 

[Geezer]

Power73.6kW (100 ch) @7.250 RPM

Torque

114.1 Nm (11.6kgf･m) @6,000 RPM

Anybody know how to translate the torque number into lbs/ft ?

My seat of the pants estimate is around 80.

I know HP is cool, but in this type of bike I think torque is also very important.

 

[doctorJ]

Hey No One where'd you get pics of my bike on the Haul road? Just kidding, wow I wonder how the front wheel stayed on the ground. BTW, who makes those engine guards in that pic of the S10? I am sure there will be lots of options in bars, skid plates etc. as time goes on. Many aluminum bag makers and Givi will just need to adapt their mounts and not the bags probably.
doctorj

Ill go check... Ive seen the web site several times.. When I come across it Ill post it for ya... They have a few other cool things too... Your right, tons of new parts on there way ! ! :yahoo:

Wow, what an extensive list of web sites (bike **** maybe ). I think I've found the bars and few other things to drop $$$ on.

https://www.motorradgarage.com.au/catalog/p...33d1579a0ea0a8e

doctorj

 

[beemerdons]

Power73.6kW (100 ch) @7.250 RPM

Torque

114.1 Nm (11.6kgf･m) @6,000 RPM

Anybody know how to translate the torque number into lbs/ft ?

My seat of the pants estimate is around 80.

I know HP is cool, but in this type of bike I think torque is also very important.

Greg, I think you've guessed correctly with 80. BMW R1200GS is 88 lb.-ft. and 120 Nm, so 80 does make sense. Boy Howdy, once again the 10% less factor showing up. It's 10% less money though!!!

 

[canyonman]

Power73.6kW (100 ch) @7.250 RPM

Torque

114.1 Nm (11.6kgf･m) @6,000 RPM

Anybody know how to translate the torque number into lbs/ft ?

My seat of the pants estimate is around 80.

I know HP is cool, but in this type of bike I think torque is also very important.

114.1 Nm = 84.2 lbs/ft

geezer, you can google just about any conversion your looking for.

 

[beemerdons]

Power73.6kW (100 ch) @7.250 RPM

Torque

114.1 Nm (11.6kgf･m) @6,000 RPM

Anybody know how to translate the torque number into lbs/ft ?

My seat of the pants estimate is around 80.

I know HP is cool, but in this type of bike I think torque is also very important.

114.1 Nm = 84.2 lbs/ft

geezer, you can google just about any conversion your looking for.

Thanks, canyonman! 84.2 lbs/ft versus 88.8 is almost a draw then, and Geezer is correct: In this type of bike torque is very important! Have you called Jerold since last Friday? I'm calling him tomorrow!

 

[RadioHowie]

Here is some great info and over all info about the new Super Tenere 1200Z.. *SNIP!!!*

Holy carp!

That's gotta be a new link record....

:lol:

Maybe I can make it last till next summer ta go through it all....

Thanks!

Rushes,

Probably won't be a problem. SO many of those links are incorrectly formatted, so allz yer gonna get is a 404 error anyway. :sigh:

 

[Spud]

OK, I ripped this off and cannot confirm validity, but the is supposedly the Dyno of the BMW GS 1200 vs. Yam St. BWM is Blue, Yam Green:

 

[charismaticmegafauna]

Thanks 'Spud'.

Looks like: the BMW has (the proverbial...) "2 Powerbands" -- AKA, a hell of a flat spot...?

 

[doctorJ]

Power73.6kW (100 ch) @7.250 RPM

Torque

114.1 Nm (11.6kgf･m) @6,000 RPM

73.6 KW = 98.7 HP

I found different numbers: 80.9 KW 110 HP @7250 Here is link to specs, pics and videos if interested.

https://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/yam...tz1200%2009.htm

doctorj