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If we run into any water crossings I'll help you out, Tucson Joe and Papa Chuy taught Bill, Russ, Chris and Scott everything they know about fording rivers! jes' sayin' and nuff' said!
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Anybody care to share the video of Don's teachings from copper canyon? Yes His water crossing is a classic in "schooling" Just be sure to shut it off before the pool scene
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AJ, the DRZ and a lot of practice falling over in Mexico. It will be use to it by now with me as the rider. I don't think she will mind anything.

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Tucson Joe (Joe)

 
AJ, the DRZ had a lot of practice falling over in Mexico. It will be used to it by now with me as the rider. I don't think she will mind anything.Juat sayin nuff said

Tucson Joe (Joe)
You know what I really hated most Jose on the Copper Canyon trip, it was when yamafitter and rushes would ride ahead of us and then laugh at us when we putted past!

They were really hooting and hollering when I made the Catholic Stations of the Cross before going across Rio Urique, also when I kissed my St. Christopher medal too!

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I have to totally agree with you Don. Even as slow as we were we still ended up the same places they did. I forgot my St. Christopher metal and

just winged it. Neither of us went down in the water so I guess it worked.

Joe (Tucson Joe)

 
Thanks Joe. Alex and I have already discussed sourcing new plastic parts should the need arise. Sometimes my bravery overpowers my skill. Oops!!

BUT...after the shakedown ride I took it on yesterday, I realized I'm rusty, but will be mostly back before Moab. This bike is also VERY easy to ride. Good power, the suspension rocks, and the tires hook up well.

The weight difference between this and a KLR is very apparent. The power difference between this and the WR250 I rode is very apparent too.

I'm jonesing to go. I love dirt and can't wait to tackle Moab. Gonna have fun re-aquainting myself with the trails here in NM.

 
Oh...And why in the Hell do 4 out of 5 of Dan's posts involve me? I know I'm handsome, but the man crush is freaking me out!!

 
I was told that the Yamaha WR450 has a device on it that only the owner can remove that actually cuts the power in half. There is a video on you tube showing how to remove it.
I'm thinking about putting the throttle stop back in my WR450F so that I don't have to wait so long for Don to catch up. Actually I'm going to have to take it gentle since it has been a while since I was on my WR. The last time I had the bike out was doing some pre-riding at the Great Pine Enduro last October. What I'm trying to figure out is what tires to mount on the WR450 since my understanding that the terrain is mostly rock. I normally have Michelin S12's which is more for the sandy terrain where I normally ride.

The real adventure is going to be the trip across the country to get there in mid-March. The odds of hitting some "interesting" weather along the way are probably going to be quite high.

 
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Dude...Leave the off-road knobbies on there. There'll be lots of sand and dirt where they'll be useful, and you won't lose much on the rocks.

 
I posted that up earlier. I like the Maxxis IT and Dunlop MX51 Geotech. The Maxxis are my preferred because they seem more durable. A good intermediate terrain knobby will work fine. MAKE SURE THE KNOBBIES ARE IN GOOD SHAPE! If they're rounding off then either cut or replace 'em. You'll appreciate them on the sand.

I posted that up earlier. I like the Maxxis IT and Dunlop MX51 Geotech. The Maxxis are my preferred because they seem more durable. A good intermediate terrain knobby will work fine. MAKE SURE THE KNOBBIES ARE IN GOOD SHAPE! If they're rounding off then either cut or replace 'em. You'll appreciate them on the sand.

 
Oh...And why in the Hell do 4 out of 5 of Dan's posts involve me? I know I'm handsome, but the man crush is freaking me out!!
Hell AJ, its been so long since I've been on the forum, you're the only person that would talk to me. Having not one but two weddings in my near futue and more news my middle daughter is pregnant, making my wife and I first time grand parents, there has been a lot of activity going on in my life recently. This is why I'm Sooooooooooo needing this Moab trip and the new bike.

Well, and your just so cute, you remind me of one of Bust-a-Nut's sheep!

Oh! One more thing, you're welcome for me doing your damn job of locating, dealing and posting the Hotels for the Colorado Cluster ride!

 
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OK, stupid question! Will my new WR have tubeless tires or will they have a tube? Just goes to show how long its been.
My WR450F is tubeless but that is an aftermarket setup. The factory supplies tubes with the tires but I would get rid of the stock tubes and install a good set of heavy duty tubes from a reputable source such as Michelin or Dunlop. That setup will save you from a number of pinched flats that can occur if you hit too many square edged rocks.

 
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Thanks Dan...I love you too man!! You did a great job with the hotels BTW.

And your WR tires will have tubes. I suggest taking them out and replacing them with heavy duty tubes.

 
BigD, I'm not suggesting heavy duty tubes, I'm DEMANDING heavy duty tubes...otherwise we'll ride while you fix flats! They really make a big difference and you'll be glad to get 'em. A good source for moto gear is rockymountainatv/mc.com. good prices and GREAT service. Also free 3 day shipping for $100.00 orders. Oh, a second air filter and/or pre-filters (filter panties that come in a 3 pack which you place over your filter one at a time till each is dirty, extending your filter cleaning intervals between cleanings) are going to be a must. That or be ready to clean and oil your filter once or twice for this trip. Get a tool to remove your axles and rim locks. Just about everything else I can help with...and quit being ghey...that is all...

 
Man!!! Did this go gay fast or what?
Oh Brother, is this ever the pot calling the kettle black! Sheila knows you have more of a "man crush" on 'Zilla than Big Dan does. All the way up and back from La Pine, Oregon you'd jump into the pack right behind AJ so you could check out his ***. Plus all of the quality time you spent at the Hilton in the hot tub with HotRodZilla, Bust! Of course, how can anyone blame you when he is such a muy Guapo (handsome) and virile hot stud!

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After discussing this with Don and doing a bunch of checking and talking to people on the phone and people I know that have been going to the Moab Jeep Safari for many years, I wanted to post what I have found and let everyone have a bit of a heads-up. Here is what I have found:

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I get the yearly newspaper from the Jamboree people each year. Here is a picture I clipped from that this years paper that was taken last year on the "Poison Spider Trail" in Moab. Motorcycles can whip around this traffic, but I'm sure some of the trails are setup to accommodate the 4X4 people and may be off limits to non-participants. If you look closely, you can see people standing outside their vehicles waiting their turn to move forward. I scanned this picture from the newspaper. I made a phone call about the Jeep Safari and how the rules are. There are about 30 trails, so the Safari designates about 10 per day to keep from restricting the other trails by non-participants of the Safari. However, keep in mind, the Safari only allows about 1000 entrants each year, so the other few thousand will be crawling around on their own just like us, so the possibility of crowded trails, especially those deemed most favorable can and most likely will still be crowded.

1) There are many trails, but the Safari people will select about 10 per day that the Safari participants will travel. These 10 routes will become very congested and should a problem occur, passing is not allowed unless you can pass without leaving the trail lines, which I was told is nearly impossible. Besides, people that attempt to pass are very much frowned upon.

2) The trails NOT selected to be traveled that particular day are fully available for anyone not participating. Every Hotel and camp ground and online should have a list posted showing which trails the Safari will be using on which day.

3) On a positive note, most trails can have a "loop", whereas you go up one way and come back a different way and since the Safari groups leave Moab about 9am, so if we depart prior to the Safari groups, any of the trails can be ridden or traveled, so long we reach the trail before the Safari's do. I can't speak for everyone attending, but I personally don't want to sit in some line for hours waiting my turn to move until the next vehicle breaks down causing the wait to start over again.

The Jeep Safari runs from March 23-31st, but many people show up a week or earlier to get some trails in before the heavy crowds. This Jeep Safari has been going on for many, many years. Thousands of people attend every year and is by far the largest group of 4-Wheelers to gather in the world. Moab and the State of Utah depend on the revenue generated from this Jamboree for a large part of its tourism budget. They make lots of money, so keep in mind, should an altercation or disagreement arise between participants and non-participants, the participants will generally win and get their way. Participants that go on the trails were required to apply last year, because they are numbered as to how many can attend. Mainly because should a vehicle break down or some other reason, the long lines come to a stop that can last for well over an hour. Some of these trails last all day even though they are only several miles in length. When openings open up, people are selected by lottery, just to give you an idea of what to expect as far as crowds.
This trip will be super fun, but a little planning and education will make life for all much simpler. We must first realize that restaurants, stores, gas stations will probably all have lines, some may be long. Early risers will benefit the most by beating the crowds. Trails to be ridden will have to be predetermined. We won't be able to just take off and venture where ever we want unless we depart pretty early. Getting off the trails or venturing off into restricted areas will land you in jail with possible huge fines, so attention must be paid to borders, signs, rules and restricted areas.

Not having ever been to Moab as a trail adventurist, I thought making a few calls to investigate what to expect was well within what someone should do, so we can be better prepared and know more of what to expect. Disappointing surprises are never fun and can possibly be costly. For those of us having never experienced Moab during the jamboree, think of it as your first visit to Surgis, SD during the motorcycle rally, except these are 4x4 people. It will undoubtedly be a total blast, but a little pre-planning couldn't hurt, so it doesn't turn out to be like a trip to Disneyland on a holiday weekend where are you do is stand in line for everything. Now I know we will be in Moab from March 21-24, so we will only overlap the first weekend. But keep in mind, Safari people start showing up days or even weeks early to ride the trails, look up friends or make adjustments to their vehicles.

Finally, what makes me an authority on Moab? Believe me I'm not, which is why I decided to make some calls to find out plus I know many, many people where I live that have been attending the Jeep Safari for many years. Everything I have written simply comes from taking to others, both in person and on the phone, not from personal knowledge.

Some links to Moab and about the 2013 Jeep Safari Jamboree:
https://www.utah.com/moab/moab_jeep_safari.htm
https://www.rr4w.com/
https://www.discovermoab.com/calendar.htm
https://www.4x4training.com/Adventures/EasterSafari/EJSMain.html

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Here is the letter I sent to Amigo Big-D, it's a damn shame I didn't know about the Jeep Safari until months after a dozen of us had booked the Moab RV Resort!

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Brother Dan,


Please post it up to both forums, the truth never hurt anyone. I am still not deterred from going since the scheduled activities do not start until Saturday, March 23, a lot of folks will still be on the road to the Jamboree at that time. I would rather have everyone informed now, rather than them having the red *** at me for not sharing the information. Sturgis Bike Week, BMW Rallies and HOG Rallies are crowded too, but I still go to those events also!

Sincerely,


Don Stanley
 
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I'll see what's what for the off road area I'm planning on riding, but I don't think this'll be an issue. Much of what I'm planning is single trak, motorcycle/atv only. Those of you on roads MIGHT be screwed, but I'll wager the slow traffic is going to be on slick rock trails primarily, not so much the roads...part of the reason I wanna ride single track. Oh, most of the trails I want to hit are actually closer to Green River. I want to drive to/stage at Dripping Springs and launch (figuratively and literally) from there, returning to vehicles for lunch/fuel. Believe me, some of the places we'll be jeeps can't go. ;)

 
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Alex, Will I be able to travel some of these roads you are talking about? I will be in a Polaris RZR.

Joe (Tucson Joe)

PS. I am the one who lent AJ the DRZ.

 
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